NIP served late - speed awareness course?

[Agm2992mga]

Hi,

Can anyone advise me at all please?

A while back, I was unfortunately caught doing 38 in a 30 by a pesky speed camera van, lost on unfamiliar roads

Alas I received an NIP, filled out the details, and attended the speed awareness course as invited.

Sadly I was unaware at the time of this debacle of the legal requirement for this document to be served within 14 days.
Only now we're a bit further down the line have I noticed that the NIP was initially served late anyway (ca 45 days).

Having already suffered my punishment! (albeit dodging the points) and done the course, I am guessing my hands are tied and nothing can be done about this with hindsight..?
Or where do I stand?

Cheers!

[SS2.]

Too late now, whatever the reason for the delivery time of the notice.

Out of interest, though, in whose name was the car registered - yours, a business, a lease company ?

If your name was on the V5C, were your address details correct ?

[Russ35]

Are you the registered keeper of the car?

They have 14days to serve it on the registered keeper, so if its a company car, lease car, hire car etc. it is allowed to get to you after 14days.

[Agm2992mga]

Hi,

As I feared.. Knowledge is power...!!

I am indeed properly registered, with correct address and named on the V5C. - All above board.

I do have my car on a PCP deal so don't know if that intereferes with criteria mentioned though?

[Stoofa]

Agm2992mga said:

Hi,

As I feared.. Knowledge is power...!!

I am indeed properly registered, with correct address and named on the V5C. - All above board.

I do have my car on a PCP deal so don't know if that intereferes with criteria mentioned though?

It's highly unlikely a NIP will have arrived late, let alone 30 days late.
The original NIP has almost certainly gone elsewhere - have you actually seen the V5C? On PCP I wouldn't expect you not to be listed as owner.

[blue_haddock]

Agm2992mga said:

Hi,

As I feared.. Knowledge is power...!!

I am indeed properly registered, with correct address and named on the V5C. - All above board.

I do have my car on a PCP deal so don't know if that intereferes with criteria mentioned though?

The NIP will have been sent in time to the lease company who have named you as the keeper, then a fresh NIP is sent directly to you.

[SteveR1979]

blue_haddock said:

The NIP will have been sent in time to the lease company who have named you as the keeper, then a fresh NIP is sent directly to you.

No
PCP is registered to the person who took the loan out. In this case the OP

[Pericoloso]

You can't "undo" a course.
Pointless.

[Pistonheader101]

Pericoloso said:

You can't "undo" a course.
Pointless.

?

[Pericoloso]

Pistonheader101 said:

Pericoloso said:

You can't "undo" a course.
Pointless.

?

Great question.
OP wants their money back,or something,after attending a speed awareness course.

What else would you like to know ?

[So]

Agm2992mga said:

Hi,

Can anyone advise me at all please?

A while back, I was unfortunately caught doing 38 in a 30 by a pesky speed camera van, lost on unfamiliar roads

Alas I received an NIP, filled out the details, and attended the speed awareness course as invited.

Sadly I was unaware at the time of this debacle of the legal requirement for this document to be served within 14 days.
Only now we're a bit further down the line have I noticed that the NIP was initially served late anyway (ca 45 days).

Having already suffered my punishment! (albeit dodging the points) and done the course, I am guessing my hands are tied and nothing can be done about this with hindsight..?
Or where do I stand?

Cheers!

Can't you write to them and ask for this one to be considered a credit? Then next time you're caught you can use your credit and not need to go on a course.

[Stoofa]

SteveR1979 said:

No
PCP is registered to the person who took the loan out. In this case the OP

Be that may, there is no way a NIP is rolling in 30 days late.
At 30 days it's the right kind of late to be a reminder.
However there is no way the OPs name is on all the relevant pieces of paperwork and the original NIP arrives 30 days outside of the 14.

[SS2.]

It may well have been a reminder - maybe the first one was 'lost in the post'.

Whilst this happens, it may be rather difficult to convince a court of the same.

[Agm2992mga]

Stoofa said:

There is no way the OPs name is on all the relevant pieces of paperwork and the original NIP arrives 30 days outside of the 14.

Since informing myself around the topic, I would not have considered querying this if my details had not all been full in the right places and properly correct.
I can assure you that the car was registered to my address as it was on my driving licence since obtaining my licence.

My only uncertainity is surrounding whether the nature of a PCP ownership would interfere with the circumstances, allowing for me to lawfully be served the NIP beyond the 14-day window. Is there a definitive conclusion on this?

So said:

Can't you write to them and ask for this one to be considered a credit? Then next time you're caught you can use your credit and not need to go on a course.

I am not necessarily after my money back for the course attended, no.
However, if my previous matter was not handled in compliance with the law, then - were this ever to happen again - surely my entitlement to a speed awarness course should be honoured as the conditions of expending the 1-course allowance previously were illegitimate.


Reviewing the paperwork submitted to me, would it not be clear on the documentation itself if it were a repeat follow-up reminder? There is no such mention on the docs.

Edited by Agm2992mga on Thursday 14th March 11:24

[martinbiz]

Agm2992mga said:

I am not necessarily after my money back for the course attended, no.
However, if my previous matter was not handled in compliance with the law, then - were this ever to happen again - surely my entitlement to a speed awarness course should be honoured as the conditions of expending the 1-course allowance previously were illegitimate.


Reviewing the paperwork submitted to me, would it not be clear on the documentation itself if it were a repeat follow-up reminder? There is no such mention on the docs.

Edited by Agm2992mga on Thursday 14th March 11:24

Unfortunately the ship has sailed, you may think the course was" illegitimate" because of the late NIP, a court might not agree, had you decided to argue the point, it is unlikely they would have backed down and you would have ended up in court pleading NG and trying to defend the speeding allegation on the basis of late service - notoriously difficult, but who knows, you may have won or more likely you may have lost, with points and a big bill for your trouble, Alas we'll never know, so time to move on.

[Agm2992mga]

martinbiz said:

Unfortunately the ship has sailed, you may think the course was" illegitimate" because of the late NIP, a court might not agree, had you decided to argue the point, it is unlikely they would have backed down and you would have ended up in court pleading NG and trying to defend the speeding allegation on the basis of late service - notoriously difficult, but who knows, you may have won or more likely you may have lost, with points and a big bill for your trouble, Alas we'll never know, so time to move on.

Thanks martinbiz - well put and fair play.
I knew it was a longshot but thought I'd just put it to the floor to educate myself and see whether arguing the toss would bear any fruit.

I am now satisfied that the matters is put to bed and my hands tied.

Thanks for contributions.