Planning permission for two ends of a road, but no middle
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Planning permission for a local relief road dropped through my letterbox earlier. The planning permission is for one end of the road. Planning permission for the other end of the road will have dropped through relevant letterboxes too.
Thing is, the largest section of the road (the middle that joins the ends up) has no plan or no funding for at least ten years! What the f
k? How can a council build two ends of a road but no middle bit to link them up?
It's being done to build two massive housing estates at either end, that's why. I think the council are then hoping the developers will fund the middle bit of the road.
This road is being touted as a 'relief' road because my local town is quite badly snarled up with traffic every day. WinstonWolf will know where this is.
The benefits of said road include a solution to the traffic issues. How does building two ends of a road and plonking thousands of houses nearby, but not linking the ends of the road solve any traffic issues? It just means thousands more cars adding to the current traffic misery.
I can't get my head around this.
If you want to know more, google Spalding Western Relief Road. I see a local pressure group has already been setup.
Thing is, the largest section of the road (the middle that joins the ends up) has no plan or no funding for at least ten years! What the f
k? How can a council build two ends of a road but no middle bit to link them up?It's being done to build two massive housing estates at either end, that's why. I think the council are then hoping the developers will fund the middle bit of the road.
This road is being touted as a 'relief' road because my local town is quite badly snarled up with traffic every day. WinstonWolf will know where this is.
The benefits of said road include a solution to the traffic issues. How does building two ends of a road and plonking thousands of houses nearby, but not linking the ends of the road solve any traffic issues? It just means thousands more cars adding to the current traffic misery.
I can't get my head around this.
If you want to know more, google Spalding Western Relief Road. I see a local pressure group has already been setup.
bobtail4x4 said:
I think the council are then hoping the developers will fund the middle bit of the road.
fairly standard practice.
That's exactly what they did with a "relief" road around a local town here. It got to the point where the residential roads near the development were jammed full of extra cars, building material deliveries etc before the council leaned on the developers to finish the road and stop the lorries using the old roads. fairly standard practice.
It's utter stupidity.
The new road will be placed not far from our house. We live just outside the town in question in the next village along. We regularly have the traffic for the town queued up past our house. This is because loads of new houses have been built and the infrastructure hasn't been updated.
The new relief road is supposed to take all traffic trying to get across and around town out of the way so the main roads in (our house is on one of them) are not clogged up. Trouble is, the first section this end is just an access road for a field that will have hundreds of houses on. That's hundreds more vehicles using the same infrastructure that is currently fked up by all of the other houses they have built. Until the middle bit of the road goes in, the extra traffic will still need to use the same bits of road that everyone else uses.
It's going to be at least a decade until the middle bit goes in. The section near us is supposed to start being built this winter.
The new road will be placed not far from our house. We live just outside the town in question in the next village along. We regularly have the traffic for the town queued up past our house. This is because loads of new houses have been built and the infrastructure hasn't been updated.
The new relief road is supposed to take all traffic trying to get across and around town out of the way so the main roads in (our house is on one of them) are not clogged up. Trouble is, the first section this end is just an access road for a field that will have hundreds of houses on. That's hundreds more vehicles using the same infrastructure that is currently f
ked up by all of the other houses they have built. Until the middle bit of the road goes in, the extra traffic will still need to use the same bits of road that everyone else uses.It's going to be at least a decade until the middle bit goes in. The section near us is supposed to start being built this winter.
jules_s said:
I there not an outline app you the developments as a whole?
The planning permission for both ends can be seen now. The middle bit just has a 'safeguarding corridor' on a map. The people at Lincs County Council keep stressing that nothing will be done for at least a decade because they didn't tell some people they will lose their houses. That has caused a lot of fuss recently.Have a google for "community infrastructure levy"...it is the additional 'tax' developers are charged to pay for (as the name suggests) infrastructure improvements whenever large developments are undertake. IIRC it is paid to the 'county' council (or highest tier of local government) and then a proportion filters down to town and parish councils in the affected area.
It could well be the expectation that CIL will be used to fund the 'middle' bit of the road. Or it could be provision of the linking section is a condition of approval for the development.
FWIW it does seem surprising that they're not seeking at least outline planning permission for the whole road in one go. But then again the inner workings of local government are a wonder to behold (and rarely perceived as logical by any 'normal' person!)...
It could well be the expectation that CIL will be used to fund the 'middle' bit of the road. Or it could be provision of the linking section is a condition of approval for the development.
FWIW it does seem surprising that they're not seeking at least outline planning permission for the whole road in one go. But then again the inner workings of local government are a wonder to behold (and rarely perceived as logical by any 'normal' person!)...
Ardennes92 said:
But presumably when the developments are complete, it won’t be a bypass but an inner relief road
no, just an alternative route. There will be fewer junctions, no driveways etc so average speed will be better. The old road will have local traffic on it, so will still be slow. You'll perceive that there are now more cars - yes, thats right. so now there'll be more road too. both will continue to be busy. you just have a choice of two routes now.You complain that it should have been done years ago. yes, but it wasnt! But it's being started now and probably finished in 10 years. good. Only 10 more years to wait. Most places don't have that luxury... they have NO prospect of a bypass/relief road/alternative road. Think yourself lucky!
funkyrobot said:
Planning permission for a local relief road dropped through my letterbox earlier. The planning permission is for one end of the road. Planning permission for the other end of the road will have dropped through relevant letterboxes too.
Thing is, the largest section of the road (the middle that joins the ends up) has no plan or no funding for at least ten years! What the fk? How can a council build two ends of a road but no middle bit to link them up?
It's being done to build two massive housing estates at either end, that's why. I think the council are then hoping the developers will fund the middle bit of the road.
This road is being touted as a 'relief' road because my local town is quite badly snarled up with traffic every day. WinstonWolf will know where this is.
The benefits of said road include a solution to the traffic issues. How does building two ends of a road and plonking thousands of houses nearby, but not linking the ends of the road solve any traffic issues? It just means thousands more cars adding to the current traffic misery.
I can't get my head around this.
If you want to know more, google Spalding Western Relief Road. I see a local pressure group has already been setup.
Do you mean that planning applications for each end have gone in (with resi development) or do you mean that planning permission has been granted?Thing is, the largest section of the road (the middle that joins the ends up) has no plan or no funding for at least ten years! What the f
k? How can a council build two ends of a road but no middle bit to link them up?It's being done to build two massive housing estates at either end, that's why. I think the council are then hoping the developers will fund the middle bit of the road.
This road is being touted as a 'relief' road because my local town is quite badly snarled up with traffic every day. WinstonWolf will know where this is.
The benefits of said road include a solution to the traffic issues. How does building two ends of a road and plonking thousands of houses nearby, but not linking the ends of the road solve any traffic issues? It just means thousands more cars adding to the current traffic misery.
I can't get my head around this.
If you want to know more, google Spalding Western Relief Road. I see a local pressure group has already been setup.
If the former then you're being notified in order to give you the chance to respond to the application.
As for whether the housing adjacent to the relief road would negate any benefits the relief road brings, it's unlikely. People massively overestimate how much traffic generated by housing.
surveyor said:
This happened in Doncaster.
We know have a dual carriageway at either end, and in the middle it goes right through a brand new housing estate with huge speed bumps. Could not make it up.
In a development I know, the relief road was completed, traffic calming was put in on the old road, then removed as many carried on using the old (slow, residential) road. Now the residents of the new bit are moaning about speeding on the relief road (50 yards from any houses) and want calming put in. NB the relief road doubles as a bypass in this instance.We know have a dual carriageway at either end, and in the middle it goes right through a brand new housing estate with huge speed bumps. Could not make it up.
Deadline for planning application comments and objections today. I've done my bit.
Stumbled across this too. It could take 20 - 25 years to get the funding for the middle section of the road. The 'relief' road. Absolute madness.
https://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/opposition-gr...
Stumbled across this too. It could take 20 - 25 years to get the funding for the middle section of the road. The 'relief' road. Absolute madness.
https://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/opposition-gr...
This is still rumbling on.
Planning has been passed as the council told it's staff not to disagree with the plans.
It looks like the road with no middle is being built, but the council can't get their arse into gear and decide what is happening with it.
They have been absolutely useless throughout the whole process.
To add insult to injury, they are telling some people their houses aren't in the way, then they are telling them they are.
Probably the most crazy aspect of all of this is the boast that they won't be building the middle section for at least a decade. A road that is supposed to be relieving congestion will have two ends with no middle. There will also be 4000 more houses built at our end before the road is even complete. How the hell does this relieve congestion?
Can't get my head around this and how they are allowed to continue with these blatantly stupid ideas.
Oh yes, and the local council (who have been bleating for ages now they have no money) managed to find a spare million quid to throw at the road. Amazing that. There is a pavement across town that they have closed because they 'don't have the money to fix it', yet they find this million quid out of nowhere to throw at their stupid road pet project.
The only reason they are doing this is because they want more fking houses. 4000 more in a field over the road from us in an area that is already gridlocked every day. No extra schools or any other sort of services, just more and more houses.
https://www.spaldingvoice.co.uk/bulldozer-pain-for...
https://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/officers-reco...
https://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/district-auth...
Planning has been passed as the council told it's staff not to disagree with the plans.
It looks like the road with no middle is being built, but the council can't get their arse into gear and decide what is happening with it.
They have been absolutely useless throughout the whole process.
To add insult to injury, they are telling some people their houses aren't in the way, then they are telling them they are.
Probably the most crazy aspect of all of this is the boast that they won't be building the middle section for at least a decade. A road that is supposed to be relieving congestion will have two ends with no middle. There will also be 4000 more houses built at our end before the road is even complete. How the hell does this relieve congestion?
Can't get my head around this and how they are allowed to continue with these blatantly stupid ideas.
Oh yes, and the local council (who have been bleating for ages now they have no money) managed to find a spare million quid to throw at the road. Amazing that. There is a pavement across town that they have closed because they 'don't have the money to fix it', yet they find this million quid out of nowhere to throw at their stupid road pet project.
The only reason they are doing this is because they want more f
king houses. 4000 more in a field over the road from us in an area that is already gridlocked every day. No extra schools or any other sort of services, just more and more houses.https://www.spaldingvoice.co.uk/bulldozer-pain-for...
https://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/officers-reco...
https://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/district-auth...
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