BIB question, legality of knife in car
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Anyone know the rules on this or what the likely outcome would be if my car was stopped and searched?
I'm not a nutter I work maintaining machines and use a leatherman for work and also a one handed opening lock knife. I tend to take these home with me so going to and from work i'm "tooled up" If Im going on a long journey I would normaly put the leatherman in the glove compartment
never crossed my mind before but Ive been warned off by a coleague. Am i on dodgy ground?
For more information read 'I have been given an illegal gift' - Streaky
deltafox said:
I sometimes leave my ouzi on the passenger seat. I do leave the safety on though. Do you think this is OK?
Well if your Uzi is ok on the passenger seat, my rearward facing anti radar missiles will be fine....
Did I say uzi? Sorry, I meant Ouzo.
I hope this helps.
cheers guys,
the leatherman also has a saftey lock on the blade to stop it folding on your hands but by the sounds of it only the knife is a no,no.
Thing is As the knife gets used for every single job imaginable its now more like a rectangular piece of metal no sharpe edge left
but anyhow I'll leave it at work from now on.
the leatherman also has a saftey lock on the blade to stop it folding on your hands but by the sounds of it only the knife is a no,no.
Thing is As the knife gets used for every single job imaginable its now more like a rectangular piece of metal no sharpe edge left
but anyhow I'll leave it at work from now on.
2 Smokin Barrels said:Provided the temperature in the car, when parked on hot, sunny (!) days does not rise to the level at which the rounds will begin to cook off (unlikely though). Personally I would not drive with a loaded weapon lying loose on the seat next to me (even with the safety on) ... the possibilities for an accident are surprisingly high. You should always carry a loaded weapon (and that statement must be read in the context of the above
I sometimes leave my ouzi on the passenger seat. I do leave the safety on though. Do you think this is OK?
), and never cock it ... unless there is a strong probability that you will need to fire it with little warning to save your life or that of a comrade - Streaky2 X offences to consider.
1. Carrying a sharply pointed or bladed instrument without lawful authority or reasonable excuse.
2. Offensive weapon.
1 above has a statutory defence to the offence and that is that the item is in you possession for use at work, as part of a national costume or for religious reasons. Chefs can carry knives to and from work. Some religions have religious connections to knives such as Sikhs and Scotsmen can wear a Skiando.
2 to become classed as such, the item has to be specifically designed for causing injury such as a flick knife or gravity knife or bayonette. The item may become an offensive weapon by the intention and adaptation by its user. A womans stilletto shoe could become an offensive weapon!
You can carry a folding penknife with a blade of less than 3 inches without having to refer to the defences above because it is itself an exemption. It could become an offensive weapon depending on its use.
So. To sum up your predicament, you can carry your knives in the car when travelling to or from work. If you forget them when you go clubbing and they are found, you may have some difficult questions to answer.
1. Carrying a sharply pointed or bladed instrument without lawful authority or reasonable excuse.
2. Offensive weapon.
1 above has a statutory defence to the offence and that is that the item is in you possession for use at work, as part of a national costume or for religious reasons. Chefs can carry knives to and from work. Some religions have religious connections to knives such as Sikhs and Scotsmen can wear a Skiando.
2 to become classed as such, the item has to be specifically designed for causing injury such as a flick knife or gravity knife or bayonette. The item may become an offensive weapon by the intention and adaptation by its user. A womans stilletto shoe could become an offensive weapon!
You can carry a folding penknife with a blade of less than 3 inches without having to refer to the defences above because it is itself an exemption. It could become an offensive weapon depending on its use.
So. To sum up your predicament, you can carry your knives in the car when travelling to or from work. If you forget them when you go clubbing and they are found, you may have some difficult questions to answer.
Friend of mine had a bad accident a while back,in the process of clearing his effects the BiB found a large hunting style knife. He got it back after his boss wrote a letter stating it was required for work (Greenkeeper).
He found it a little more difficult to justfy the blank firing Berreta under the drivers seat and Desert Eagle in the boot though - no joke !!
He found it a little more difficult to justfy the blank firing Berreta under the drivers seat and Desert Eagle in the boot though - no joke !!
Gone, I take it by gravity knife you mean one of these butterfly knives.
Say for some reason you were carrying one of these with and searched, what is the likely course of action/max penalties for someone with aclean record.
Say for some reason you were carrying one of these with and searched, what is the likely course of action/max penalties for someone with aclean record.
gone said:
2 X offences to consider.
1. Carrying a sharply pointed or bladed instrument without lawful authority or reasonable excuse.
2. Offensive weapon.
2 to become classed as such, the item has to be specifically designed for causing injury such as a flick knife or gravity knife or bayonette. The item may become an offensive weapon by the intention and adaptation by its user. A womans stilletto shoe could become an offensive weapon!
AFAIK, if you get caught with a butterfly knife/switchblade in public, you're going straight to hell.
stanley/craft knife in public, if its for work (carpet-laying etc) you MAY be ok.
Leatherman/Gerber/Swiss army etc, i think are mostly under 3" so ok
incidently is the exemption of bayonets for military parades a permanent thing or is it case by case?
>> Edited by anhamgrimmar on Saturday 21st May 16:16
stanley/craft knife in public, if its for work (carpet-laying etc) you MAY be ok.
Leatherman/Gerber/Swiss army etc, i think are mostly under 3" so ok
incidently is the exemption of bayonets for military parades a permanent thing or is it case by case?
>> Edited by anhamgrimmar on Saturday 21st May 16:16
There have been a number of cases recently where people sailing modern skiffs have been caught under an upturned boat by part of the trapeze system. Therefore it is recommended that you carry a knife.
I have a 2 1/2" locking knife which I keep in the front of my bouyancy aid. It is therefore in public every time I go sailing (as I launch over a public beach, albeit from a private sailing club). I can justify having a locking knife over a non-locking knife, is this still an offence? If it is are plod likely to look sympathetically on the situation I'm in or arrest me?
>> Edited by Hugh1 on Saturday 21st May 16:31
I have a 2 1/2" locking knife which I keep in the front of my bouyancy aid. It is therefore in public every time I go sailing (as I launch over a public beach, albeit from a private sailing club). I can justify having a locking knife over a non-locking knife, is this still an offence? If it is are plod likely to look sympathetically on the situation I'm in or arrest me?
>> Edited by Hugh1 on Saturday 21st May 16:31
halK said:
Gone, I take it by gravity knife you mean one of these butterfly knives.
Say for some reason you were carrying one of these with and searched, what is the likely course of action/max penalties for someone with aclean record.
No. That is a butterfly knife. A gravity knife blade extends from the end of the handle when you flick the handle downwards. It is held inside the handle in line with it and when it is jerked downwards, the blade slides out of the handle and locks into place.
The knife above is classed as an offensive weapon per se.
If you have no record of caution or conviction i.e. a clean slate and you are not already a member of that exclusive but ever growing CRO club, then you would be elligible for an adult caution.
If you get caught and have no defence and are charged, it could cost you up to 4 years imprisonment and/or a fine for offensive weapon and 2 years imprisonment for carrying a bladed/pointed instrument!!!
>> Edited by gone on Saturday 21st May 17:48
Hugh1 said:
There have been a number of cases recently where people sailing modern skiffs have been caught under an upturned boat by part of the trapeze system. Therefore it is recommended that you carry a knife.
I have a 2 1/2" locking knife which I keep in the front of my bouyancy aid. It is therefore in public every time I go sailing (as I launch over a public beach, albeit from a private sailing club). I can justify having a locking knife over a non-locking knife, is this still an offence? If it is are plod likely to look sympathetically on the situation I'm in or arrest me?
>> Edited by Hugh1 on Saturday 21st May 16:31
You will not be locked up or arrested for having a locking blade if you have reasonable cause for having it because of your sporting interests or work. If you happen to have it in the middle of Chicago Rock Cafe on a Friday night at 0100 hours because you forgot to take it out of your sailing smock, you could be in for a bumpy ride!!!
Divers carry a large fixed blad knife which they strap to their ankle in case of becoming snagged under water. they have to take their diving kit from their houses to the water they sink into unless they happen to dive in the bath water at home
. >> Edited by gone on Saturday 21st May 17:53
gone said:
If you happen to have it in the middle of Chicago Rock Cafe on a Friday night at 0100 hours because you forgot to take it out of your sailing smock, you could be in for a bumpy ride!!!
If he’s in the Chicago Rock Cafe on a Friday night at 0100 hours with his sailing smock and trapeze harness then he’s defiantly in for a bumpy ride
gone said:
No. That is a butterfly knife. A gravity knife blade extends from the end of the handle when you flick the handle downwards. It is held inside the handle in line with it and when it is jerked downwards, the blade slides out of the handle and locks into place.
The knife above is classed as an offensive weapon per se.
If you have no record of caution or conviction i.e. a clean slate and you are not already a member of that exclusive but ever growing CRO club, then you would be elligible for an adult caution.
If you get caught and have no defence and are charged, it could cost you up to 4 years imprisonment and/or a fine for offensive weapon and 2 years imprisonment for carrying a bladed/pointed instrument!!!
>> Edited by gone on Saturday 21st May 17:48
OK thx for that, you got me with the CRO club though ?? I'm obviously not a member.
What defence could you really have for one, oh sorry officer, I was previously mugged/beaten up etc with guys carrying knives so I thought I'd even it up a bit in case it ever happened again. Hmmm don't think that'll wash.
Maybe carrying it to a martial arts class ? but I guess you'd have to be able to back that up if you really were which wouldn't take long for a BiB to establish I suppose so it'd have to be for real.
Up to 4 years ? that's max sentence though right, like the max for say a bit of cannabis is 2 years but you're more than likely just to get a caution if no/little previous (for the cannabis) ?
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