Single justice procedure notice unlicensed vehicle, scam?
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We’ve had a letter through,
It looks dodgy, cheap paper, poor printing saying my daughter is driving an untaxed car.
It isn’t it was taxed on the second of feb. Offence is the 13th of feb,
It’s asking for all kinds of details national insurance number etc etc.
But the address to send it too appears genuine. But a P.O. Box. Same post code as Leeds court Clark
Is there a scam out there?
It looks dodgy, cheap paper, poor printing saying my daughter is driving an untaxed car.
It isn’t it was taxed on the second of feb. Offence is the 13th of feb,
It’s asking for all kinds of details national insurance number etc etc.
But the address to send it too appears genuine. But a P.O. Box. Same post code as Leeds court Clark
Is there a scam out there?
How was the vehicle taxed?
If it was online, the RK will have received an automatic e-mail confirmation.
If it was at a Post Office, the RK should have received a printed receipt at the time.
Either way, the date can be proved.
Before faffing around phoning anyone, the first thing the OP, or his daughter, should do is check the DVLA record - https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/
If the OP can post a scanned copy of the letter (with all personal info redacted) it will be easier to judge whether it is phoney.
I'm wondering why the DVLA (who are responsible for such enforcement) would want an NI Number. AFAIK they don't hold any such info on RKs.
If it was online, the RK will have received an automatic e-mail confirmation.
If it was at a Post Office, the RK should have received a printed receipt at the time.
Either way, the date can be proved.
Before faffing around phoning anyone, the first thing the OP, or his daughter, should do is check the DVLA record - https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/
If the OP can post a scanned copy of the letter (with all personal info redacted) it will be easier to judge whether it is phoney.
I'm wondering why the DVLA (who are responsible for such enforcement) would want an NI Number. AFAIK they don't hold any such info on RKs.
BertBert said:
What about the details? Was it sent to the registered keeper, ie your daughter? That's assuming it literally mentions your daughter? Overall does it stack up?
What I'd do is to use Google to check the phone number of the named authority and then phone them up and ask.
Bert
You would expect that the addressee and address on the letter would exactly correspond with that on the V5 as that is the only data they have.What I'd do is to use Google to check the phone number of the named authority and then phone them up and ask.
Bert
As said above there should be proof of payment somewhere in the form of receipt, bank statement etc.
Pesty said:
We’ve had a letter through,
It looks dodgy, cheap paper, poor printing saying my daughter is driving an untaxed car.
It isn’t it was taxed on the second of feb. Offence is the 13th of feb,
It’s asking for all kinds of details national insurance number etc etc.
But the address to send it too appears genuine. But a P.O. Box. Same post code as Leeds court Clark
Is there a scam out there?
Who does the letter claim to be from? - If you have doubts, find out their official contact details on-line, and see if the details match exactly with the details on the letter.It looks dodgy, cheap paper, poor printing saying my daughter is driving an untaxed car.
It isn’t it was taxed on the second of feb. Offence is the 13th of feb,
It’s asking for all kinds of details national insurance number etc etc.
But the address to send it too appears genuine. But a P.O. Box. Same post code as Leeds court Clark
Is there a scam out there?
(NOTE: Not that they're close to being the same, as in being the same post code - A P.O box in the same post code could be belong to anybody in the same post code area)
Do a search to see if they actually deal with this type of situation - If still not satisfied, or still concerned, contact them directly and ask if they deal with this type of situation (NOTE: Contact them from the official on-line details - NOT FROM THE DETAILS ON THE LETTER!)
Asking for the National Insurance details seems very dubious - I don't recall ever hearing anybody being asked for that sort of information when it comes to a car tax issue. If you contact them directly, and they confirm that they do deal with untaxed vehicles, ask them if they ask for National Insurance details (and if they say yes, see if you can find out why).
What are the other details that they are asking for?
Most importantly, DO NOT respond to this letter until you are totally, 100% happy that it is genuine!
Pesty said:
Thanks guys,
Just something seems off but all details seem correct. Probably just the crappy paper and printing.
A little paranoid these days.
Yes I should be able to scan it later.
Successful scams work by being plausible - If I have any concerns about a situation, I work on this theory: If in doubt, check it out!Just something seems off but all details seem correct. Probably just the crappy paper and printing.
A little paranoid these days.
Yes I should be able to scan it later.
That means checking out every possible detail, to verify the details.
The first thing I would do in this situation, is check the DVLA system, to see if the car is taxed, and if so, what date the car was taxed from. If the system shows it was taxed from the 2nd of February, then there can't have been an offence committed on the 13th February, so even if it's a genuine letter, and a genuine situation, it should be dismissed immediately.
If the system shows the car is currently untaxed, that would add to the validity of the received letter, but I would still look into the authenticity of the letter.
If this is a scam, it's quite a specific one, as it involves the whole recent car tax situation. How many scammers would go to the trouble of tracing cars that have been recently taxed, in order to scam the vehicle's owner? - Seems like a lot of hard work to me. That's not to say it couldn't be a scam, but most scams tend to be less specific.
As I say, check out all of the details first, before even considering responding to this letter.
Thanks guys,
Right I’ve read it again, thoroughly.
I think it’s genuine, it’s has times and dates for Wales anpr. When we know our daughter was there after some investigation of her whereabouts.
Now reading it properly this is supposedly the second correspondence, this caused me some confusion when I read it before. We never got the first one.
So this one is talking about court etc and all kinds of things like help with paying fine hence national insurance numbers.
Looking online it says the car tax effective from feb the 1st.
Tax is free on the car ( that is annoying) so speaking with the daughter she taxed it online but she can’t remember when. I suspect she did it after the 13th for this to have happened? When pushed on the 2nd of feb date she decided she doesn’t know exactly just she thought she had.
So questions are does it matter that it’s free
Does it matter if she applied online after the date of the offence.
Summary
Daughters are a pain in the ass. She’s broke so if this does end up in a fine guess who’s on the hook. Fs.
Right I’ve read it again, thoroughly.
I think it’s genuine, it’s has times and dates for Wales anpr. When we know our daughter was there after some investigation of her whereabouts.
Now reading it properly this is supposedly the second correspondence, this caused me some confusion when I read it before. We never got the first one.
So this one is talking about court etc and all kinds of things like help with paying fine hence national insurance numbers.
Looking online it says the car tax effective from feb the 1st.
Tax is free on the car ( that is annoying) so speaking with the daughter she taxed it online but she can’t remember when. I suspect she did it after the 13th for this to have happened? When pushed on the 2nd of feb date she decided she doesn’t know exactly just she thought she had.
So questions are does it matter that it’s free
Does it matter if she applied online after the date of the offence.
Summary
Daughters are a pain in the ass. She’s broke so if this does end up in a fine guess who’s on the hook. Fs.
Pesty said:
Now reading it properly this is supposedly the second correspondence, this caused me some confusion when I read it before. We never got the first one.
So this one is talking about court etc and all kinds of things like help with paying fine hence national insurance numbers.
We? Do you mean your daughter? (I'm assuming here that she is the RK).So this one is talking about court etc and all kinds of things like help with paying fine hence national insurance numbers.
Pesty said:
Tax is free on the car ( that is annoying) so speaking with the daughter she taxed it online but she can’t remember when. I suspect she did it after the 13th for this to have happened? When pushed on the 2nd of feb date she decided she doesn’t know exactly just she thought she had.
As I said in my previous post, if it was taxed online the RK will have received an immediate automatic acknowledgement e-mail from the DVLA.In this format. The date & time stated on it will be conclusive proof of when it was done. It will show whether she did before or after the date she was zapped by ANPR.
DVLA acknowledgement said:
DVLA Electronic Vehicle Licensing <donotreply.evl@dvla.gsi.gov.uk>
Date, time
THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - PLEASE DO NOT REPLY AS EMAILS
RECEIVED AT THIS ADDRESS CANNOT BE RESPONDED TO.
Confirmation of vehicle tax.
Thank you for using DVLA Vehicle Licensing Online.
Your application for vehicle tax has been successful.
Vehicle Registration Number: XXXXXXX
Reference Number: NNNN NNNN NNNN NNNN
Application Made On: DD/MM/YYYY, HH:MM:SS
Vehicle Tax Period: X months
Vehicle Tax Amount Paid: GBP NNN.NN
Last 4 Digits of Payment Card: **** **** **** NNNN
The law has changed, you do not need to display a tax disc, therefore we will not issue one to you.
You may wish to save or print this email confirmation for your records.
Date, time
THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - PLEASE DO NOT REPLY AS EMAILS
RECEIVED AT THIS ADDRESS CANNOT BE RESPONDED TO.
Confirmation of vehicle tax.
Thank you for using DVLA Vehicle Licensing Online.
Your application for vehicle tax has been successful.
Vehicle Registration Number: XXXXXXX
Reference Number: NNNN NNNN NNNN NNNN
Application Made On: DD/MM/YYYY, HH:MM:SS
Vehicle Tax Period: X months
Vehicle Tax Amount Paid: GBP NNN.NN
Last 4 Digits of Payment Card: **** **** **** NNNN
The law has changed, you do not need to display a tax disc, therefore we will not issue one to you.
You may wish to save or print this email confirmation for your records.
Pesty said:
So questions are does it matter that it’s free
Irrelevant. It's not free btw. It is a VED rate of NIL.Semantics, I hear you say. Quite, but that's not how the bureaucratic machine works.
Daft as it seems, despite no money changing hands, you must still apply in time.
Pesty said:
Does it matter if she applied online after the date of the offence.
Yes it does. Very much so. The RK becomes liable for a Late Licencing Penalty.https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
A Single Justice Procedure Notice means that the LLP Notice has been ignored. You mention above that it wasn't received.
If your daughter is the RK it would have been addressed to her. If so, are you 100% certain it never arrived?
She seems a bit vague about matters of some importance..
Pesty said:
Summary
Daughters are a pain in the ass. She’s broke so if this does end up in a fine guess who’s on the hook. Fs.
If you're the RK of a vehicle you have to be on the ball all the time.Daughters are a pain in the ass. She’s broke so if this does end up in a fine guess who’s on the hook. Fs.
It's all too easy to fall foul of the system if you're a bit forgetful/disorganised.
Red Devil said:
If you're the RK of a vehicle you have to be on the ball all the time.
It's all too easy to fall foul of the system if you're a bit forgetful/disorganised.
Well looks like she’s done for. Guess she’ll have to fill it out and send it in.It's all too easy to fall foul of the system if you're a bit forgetful/disorganised.
She’s registered keeper,
I said we because we get her letters and pile them up for her to ignore, but dvla ones we open for her,
Disorganised is exactly the word. No reminders either. Hopefully teach her a lesson.
speedking31 said:
"Clark" = scam 
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