Dashcam prosecutions
Discussion
RP64 said:
How many dashcam submissions from the public are resulting in action by the way of fixed penalty notices or prosecution. What approach are police taking when they receive these dashcam clips?
You'll need to send a FoI request to every Police Service.It is happening though
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=417761222296799
vonhosen said:
You'll need to send a FoI request to every Police Service.
It is happening though
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=417761222296799
That was bloody dangerous! It is happening though
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=417761222296799
Amazed he didn't do a bit of bird for that.
Given how stretched the Police are I would doubt that anything but obviously egregious and easily provable offences shown on submitted dashcam video are followed up.
That's not to say they don't receive loads of submissions from Mittys, but they aren't going to be prosecuting peoplfe based on dashcam evidence of someone wandering over the limit a bit.
Anything obviously far below the standard of a careful and competent driver though I imagine would be fair game (and rightly so).
That's not to say they don't receive loads of submissions from Mittys, but they aren't going to be prosecuting peoplfe based on dashcam evidence of someone wandering over the limit a bit.
Anything obviously far below the standard of a careful and competent driver though I imagine would be fair game (and rightly so).
RP64 said:
How many dashcam submissions from the public are resulting in action by the way of fixed penalty notices or prosecution. What approach are police taking when they receive these dashcam clips?
A Google of 'dashcam prosecutions', second link: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7...flashbang said:
That was bloody dangerous!
Amazed he didn't do a bit of bird for that.
The footage starts with the light on red, but I am willing to bet it's been edited down to start the exact moment it went from orange to red. So rather than showing a van randomly blasting through a red light on a crossing with people already on it, it would show a van trying to charge an orange light and getting it wrong, plus 1 pedestrian out of many chancing it by crossing as soon as he could see cars stopping at the red light rather than waiting for the green Man like the rest of them.Amazed he didn't do a bit of bird for that.
ging84 said:
flashbang said:
That was bloody dangerous!
Amazed he didn't do a bit of bird for that.
The footage starts with the light on red, but I am willing to bet it's been edited down to start the exact moment it went from orange to red. So rather than showing a van randomly blasting through a red light on a crossing with people already on it, it would show a van trying to charge an orange light and getting it wrong, plus 1 pedestrian out of many chancing it by crossing as soon as he could see cars stopping at the red light rather than waiting for the green Man like the rest of them.Amazed he didn't do a bit of bird for that.
vonhosen said:
That's OK then.....not
That not even close to what I said, and unfortunately this is one of the very big problems with dash cams being used as evidence. You can edit them to remove the context and show the worst possible bits, and if you try and argue it wasn't as bad as the footage makes out some over zealous police officer or prosecutor will just come back with a pointless flippant comment like that, and it's really hard to argue against.ging84 said:
vonhosen said:
That's OK then.....not
That not even close to what I said, and unfortunately this is one of the very big problems with dash cams being used as evidence. You can edit them to remove the context and show the worst possible bits, and if you try and argue it wasn't as bad as the footage makes out some over zealous police officer or prosecutor will just come back with a pointless flippant comment like that, and it's really hard to argue against.We are getting 3 or 4 police request per month for driver info relating to dash-cam footage received, mainly for cutting across lanes, jumping red lights and zebra crossings.
What we don't get to know is how far these end up going once we pass on the driver details, but there has been noticeable increase this year
What we don't get to know is how far these end up going once we pass on the driver details, but there has been noticeable increase this year
There's probably been hundreds of cases by now, was involved in the first dashcam prosecution in the uk AFAIK (back in 2012).
I would recommend not giving the card to the police at the time of accident but instead make a backup first.
The police seized the action cam and memory card at the scene of my crash and when the CPS prosecuted the DVD they made for court worked in the magistrates court but didn't in the crown court and when they tried to get the source footage to make another one they couldn't find it, never got compensated for the price of the memory card either which was a lot back then (£200 for 32gb iirc).
Luckily for me a witness had taken pictures at the scene right after the crash which disproved the other parties version of events.
I would recommend not giving the card to the police at the time of accident but instead make a backup first.
The police seized the action cam and memory card at the scene of my crash and when the CPS prosecuted the DVD they made for court worked in the magistrates court but didn't in the crown court and when they tried to get the source footage to make another one they couldn't find it, never got compensated for the price of the memory card either which was a lot back then (£200 for 32gb iirc).
Luckily for me a witness had taken pictures at the scene right after the crash which disproved the other parties version of events.
S11Steve said:
We are getting 3 or 4 police request per month for driver info relating to dash-cam footage received, mainly for cutting across lanes, jumping red lights and zebra crossings.
What we don't get to know is how far these end up going once we pass on the driver details, but there has been noticeable increase this year
Who is 'we'?What we don't get to know is how far these end up going once we pass on the driver details, but there has been noticeable increase this year
vonhosen said:
RP64 said:
How many dashcam submissions from the public are resulting in action by the way of fixed penalty notices or prosecution. What approach are police taking when they receive these dashcam clips?
You'll need to send a FoI request to every Police Service.It is happening though
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=417761222296799
ging84 said:
flashbang said:
That was bloody dangerous!
Amazed he didn't do a bit of bird for that.
The footage starts with the light on red, but I am willing to bet it's been edited down to start the exact moment it went from orange to red. So rather than showing a van randomly blasting through a red light on a crossing with people already on it, it would show a van trying to charge an orange light and getting it wrong, plus 1 pedestrian out of many chancing it by crossing as soon as he could see cars stopping at the red light rather than waiting for the green Man like the rest of them.Amazed he didn't do a bit of bird for that.
There were at least 3 seconds of clear red before he went through, and one would presume the noise that lets pedestrians know they can cross was going at that point.
ps. Amber also means stop (unless it's not possible to safely).
Edited by Durzel on Thursday 8th August 10:34
Durzel said:
Seems like a strange hill to die on, defending a guy driving through a red light nearly hitting someone.
There were at least 3 seconds of clear red before he went through, and one would presume the noise that lets pedestrians know they can cross was going at that point.
ps. Amber also means stop (unless it's not possible to safely).
Why does it have to be that I was defending him?There were at least 3 seconds of clear red before he went through, and one would presume the noise that lets pedestrians know they can cross was going at that point.
ps. Amber also means stop (unless it's not possible to safely).
Edited by Durzel on Thursday 8th August 10:34
I was simply pointing out that on first watch it probably looks far worse than it really was which is probably why it wasn't treated as a more serious offense.
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