Operation Snap Devon & Cornwall Police Careless Driving?

[Paul Dishman]

I thought this case was interesting



D& C police say "lane moves from 3 lanes down to 2 lanes just prior to this impatient drivers manoeuvre. Notice of intended prosecution in the post".

They intend to prosecute the Corsa driver for DWDCA for this rather hare-brained overtake using the video from the dash cam in the overtaken car.

If I had a notice of intended prosecution for this (I haven't- its not me) I'd argue that the overtaken car was hogging lane 2 and should have been in lane 1 and that in any case as the hatched area isn't marked off by a solid white line then no offence was committed.

D & C disagree https://twitter.com/OpSnapDCpolice

[Paul Dishman]

This is the other image they've tweeted

[Initforthemoney]

Good.

Let's hope they get more.

I'm not even sure how you can work out what speed the cam car was going in relation to the one he is just about to overtake.

[colin_p]

Nowt wrong with that by the looks of that photo.

Wasn't crossing a solid white line or doing anything dangerous.

[Paul Dishman]

Initforthemoney said:

Good.

Let's hope they get more.

I'm not even sure how you can work out what speed the cam car was going in relation to the one he is just about to overtake.

Presumably by watching the video

[carinaman]

Paul Dishman said:

This is the other image they've tweeted

Not sure if it's the photo, but the proximity of the NS A pillar to the camera and the image makes it look like the camera car could have been well over to the right of their lane as though to discourage the Corsa passing. I am sure the camera car wouldn't have been trying to block the Corsa.

[timbo999]

I believe the Highway Codes says you should only enter a hatched area bounded by broken lines 'if necessary' - and there's the rub... its ambiguous (to say the least!). I'm sure the Police would say it wasn't necessary, whereas you and I would say it was, if the Vauxhall wants to overtake the camera car.

[kestral]

timbo999 said:

I believe the Highway Codes says you should only enter a hatched area bounded by broken lines 'if necessary' - and there's the rub... its ambiguous (to say the least!). I'm sure the Police would say it wasn't necessary, whereas you and I would say it was, if the Vauxhall wants to overtake the camera car.

Yes, and the justifaction being " the car was hogging the lane" would secure the conviction. I do wonder about some people sometimes.

[matjk]

We need to see the video , wouldn’t be surprised if the camera car moved out in front of the Corsa , if that’s the case he either has to brake hard or undertake ! Camera car looks well over to the right.

[WJNB]

Could Plod be influenced by the fact that the Corsa was obviously the boy-racer version & maybe driven with a degree of too much verve i.e recklessness?
The hogging of lane 2 by another vehicle a poor excuse to overtake by crossing onto the hatched area & such a move was not necessary.
The hogger would not be regarded as having perpetrated the Corsa's actions & thus in law surely not guilty of any offence

[anonymous-user]

They've said the car in lane 2 was over-taking and thus isn't a 'lane hogger'.

I also imagine the Corsa removed all of the lane 2 vehicle's braking distance, too.

[4rephill]

Paul Dishman said:

......If I had a notice of intended prosecution for this (I haven't- its not me) I'd argue that the overtaken car was hogging lane 2 and should have been in lane 1.........

So you've seen the video footage, and not just these stills from the video, and know for a fact that the camera car wasn't in the process of passing a car in lane 1 (possibly already slowing down for the up coming exit), at the time the knob in the Corsa decided to jump one last car after the 3rd lane had ended?

I suspect Devon & Cornwall police know more about what actually happened than you do!

[carinaman]

Is that from a Dashcam or a mobile phone with a camera being used by the passenger?

The second counter is the same for both photos.

[sim72]

carinaman said:

Is that from a Dashcam or a mobile phone with a camera being used by the passenger?

The second counter is the same for both photos.

Quite possible that both images were taken in less than one second, especially if the Corsa was really shifting.

[vonhosen]

colin_p said:

Nowt wrong with that by the looks of that photo.

Wasn't crossing a solid white line or doing anything dangerous.

Doesn't have to be dangerous, just has to fall below the standard expected.

[SS2.]

timbo999 said:

I believe the Highway Codes says you should only enter a hatched area bounded by broken lines 'if necessary' - and there's the rub... its ambiguous (to say the least!).

The Highway Code isn't law.

[carinaman]

sim72 said:

Quite possible that both images were taken in less than one second, especially if the Corsa was really shifting.

Must be a really old camera with really old CCDs. It's my experience that electronics function faster than cars.

And horses.

The Corsa was running NOS?

[carinaman]

'If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.'

It may not have been necessary, but it appears safe to do so.

[Aluminati]

As with too many forces nowadays, kin idiots.

[konark]

The camera car is so far over to the right it's almost certainly also in the hatched area.

He might be overtaking the car on the left but in picture 2 he's not much nearer than in pic 1 and the corsa is considerably further away. So it looks like an elepant race that the corsa wasn't gonna sit behind.

What is the point of the hatched area? if not to complete an overtake.

Edited by konark on Friday 30th August 23:16