Speed Bump on a corner?
Discussion
jazzyman said:
Are there any law restrictions for placing a speed bump on a corner on an A road? The Council recently installed these new speed bumps rubber ones screwed to the tarmac. Seems very dangerous to have one directly on a corner.
Why is it dangerous? they don't exactly make you go airborne unless your'e driving like a t
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Jarcy said:
martinbiz said:
Why is it dangerous? they don't exactly make you go airborne unless your'e driving like a tt
Other people drive like ttts. No one wants to be on the receiving end of their errors.Road furniture should not be permitted on ANY A-roads!
...which is horrid, by the way, what with it being shiny granite and slippery in the wet. It certainly leads to a lot of confusion about road positioning, and priority re: pedestrians/cars. Best avoided on a bicycle too. I'd happily consider swapping this little lot for a speed bump on a corner. The road used to go straight up the shopping street, but now curves around the back of a couple of shopping malls/arcades to service a car park and the bus station, via two roundabouts.
Edited by yellowjack on Thursday 3rd October 14:19
jazzyman said:
Are there any law restrictions for placing a speed bump on a corner on an A road? The Council recently installed these new speed bumps rubber ones screwed to the tarmac. Seems very dangerous to have one directly on a corner.
Have a read https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1025/cont...Also Tal 7/96 (14 in the contents page)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic...
There's also bits about it in the DMRB.
I've seen big "cushions" on junctions used as "traffic calming" which seem a bit of a PITA.
Speed Badger said:
All speed bumps do is make people angry, frustrated, innatentive and more eager to get through that section of road quicker.
There's a fine example near me:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5065487,0.222017...
Right at the apex of the bend
Haltamer said:
There's a fine example near me:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5065487,0.222017...
Right at the apex of the bend
We have a 30 mph limit between the village I live in and the next village. It used to be 40 mph, but was reduced to 30 and then 4 speed cushions were added.
I wrote to my local County Councillor who said that these had been requested by locals.
I pointed out that one was right in the middle of a bend and was unsighted. He replied that the Road Engineer had said it was fine.
I then obtained a 'Freedom of Information' statement that during the past 9 years there had been two accidents, both at the bend where the speed cushion had now appeared. I again contacted my Councillor, who again said that he had been assured it was safe.
I wrote to our local paper with a long letter describing them as pollution-creating, driver-annoying and unsafe, especially the one in the middle of the bend which would be unsighted, especially at night. The fact that I had made more than one contact with the Councillor was stated and his replies were quoted. My final comment was that when the eventual crash, happened the person to blame would be easily identified, as I had just named him. This letter was published as the header letter the following week.
Within 3 weeks the cushion in the middle of the bend was removed.
I wrote to my local County Councillor who said that these had been requested by locals.
I pointed out that one was right in the middle of a bend and was unsighted. He replied that the Road Engineer had said it was fine.
I then obtained a 'Freedom of Information' statement that during the past 9 years there had been two accidents, both at the bend where the speed cushion had now appeared. I again contacted my Councillor, who again said that he had been assured it was safe.
I wrote to our local paper with a long letter describing them as pollution-creating, driver-annoying and unsafe, especially the one in the middle of the bend which would be unsighted, especially at night. The fact that I had made more than one contact with the Councillor was stated and his replies were quoted. My final comment was that when the eventual crash, happened the person to blame would be easily identified, as I had just named him. This letter was published as the header letter the following week.
Within 3 weeks the cushion in the middle of the bend was removed.
Cooperman said:
We have a 30 mph limit between the village I live in and the next village. It used to be 40 mph, but was reduced to 30 and then 4 speed cushions were added.
I wrote to my local County Councillor who said that these had been requested by locals.
I pointed out that one was right in the middle of a bend and was unsighted. He replied that the Road Engineer had said it was fine.
I then obtained a 'Freedom of Information' statement that during the past 9 years there had been two accidents, both at the bend where the speed cushion had now appeared. I again contacted my Councillor, who again said that he had been assured it was safe.
I wrote to our local paper with a long letter describing them as pollution-creating, driver-annoying and unsafe, especially the one in the middle of the bend which would be unsighted, especially at night. The fact that I had made more than one contact with the Councillor was stated and his replies were quoted. My final comment was that when the eventual crash, happened the person to blame would be easily identified, as I had just named him. This letter was published as the header letter the following week.
Within 3 weeks the cushion in the middle of the bend was removed.
It's always the somewhat elderly locals having a moan, retired they've got nothing left in life that they have any real control over, so they start complaining about non-existent problems to the local councillors, who always go out of their way to please this demographic because they're the one's who vote. There was probably absolutely no problem in the first place, maybe just the odd biker making a lot of noise.I wrote to my local County Councillor who said that these had been requested by locals.
I pointed out that one was right in the middle of a bend and was unsighted. He replied that the Road Engineer had said it was fine.
I then obtained a 'Freedom of Information' statement that during the past 9 years there had been two accidents, both at the bend where the speed cushion had now appeared. I again contacted my Councillor, who again said that he had been assured it was safe.
I wrote to our local paper with a long letter describing them as pollution-creating, driver-annoying and unsafe, especially the one in the middle of the bend which would be unsighted, especially at night. The fact that I had made more than one contact with the Councillor was stated and his replies were quoted. My final comment was that when the eventual crash, happened the person to blame would be easily identified, as I had just named him. This letter was published as the header letter the following week.
Within 3 weeks the cushion in the middle of the bend was removed.
yellowjack said:
Jarcy said:
martinbiz said:
Why is it dangerous? they don't exactly make you go airborne unless your'e driving like a tt
Other people drive like ttts. No one wants to be on the receiving end of their errors.Road furniture should not be permitted on ANY A-roads!
...which is horrid, by the way, what with it being shiny granite and slippery in the wet. It certainly leads to a lot of confusion about road positioning, and priority re: pedestrians/cars. Best avoided on a bicycle too. I'd happily consider swapping this little lot for a speed bump on a corner. The road used to go straight up the shopping street, but now curves around the back of a couple of shopping malls/arcades to service a car park and the bus station, via two roundabouts.
Edited by yellowjack on Thursday 3rd October 14:19
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/16980866.be...
I hate traffic calming but am seriously starting to wonder what needs to be done to stop people ripping down my road.
It's residential and was quiet from 1920-2012, 30mph limit with a high degree of compliance, then a huge estate of new houses was plonked in the middle of the countryside. The volume of traffic increased as people want to get to and from their houses (funnily enough), but the driving manners are now terrible (arrogant argy-bargy) and the amount of cars going through at 40+ is ridiculous. There have been crashes, every morning there are horns sounding at near-misses when they are negotiating parked cars.
I don't want speed bumps with the associated noise and vibration. I don't want a speed camera. I want people to start using the relief road built at great expense but until my road is properly crap to drive on people will prefer the shortcut.
It's residential and was quiet from 1920-2012, 30mph limit with a high degree of compliance, then a huge estate of new houses was plonked in the middle of the countryside. The volume of traffic increased as people want to get to and from their houses (funnily enough), but the driving manners are now terrible (arrogant argy-bargy) and the amount of cars going through at 40+ is ridiculous. There have been crashes, every morning there are horns sounding at near-misses when they are negotiating parked cars.
I don't want speed bumps with the associated noise and vibration. I don't want a speed camera. I want people to start using the relief road built at great expense but until my road is properly crap to drive on people will prefer the shortcut.
donkmeister said:
I don't want speed bumps with the associated noise and vibration. I don't want a speed camera. I want people to start using the relief road built at great expense but until my road is properly crap to drive on people will prefer the shortcut.
This is where the Dutch engineering approach is needed; Using reduced limits and increased "danger" and inconvenience is needed, causing people to prefer the roads with a priority for traffic flow over access:
( https://www.swov.nl/sites/default/files/publicatie... )
Needless to say, there are ways to achieve the desired effect other than speedbumps, which are preferable both in terms of cost and use:- Removing road markings, or using them to narrow the road, increasing the sense of "danger" and reducing speeds - Things like curb extensions, neck downs and the like.
There's a perfect example in Poeldijk; Compare the red (Flow route) to the blue (Access road) on streetview, and think about how the same layout would work in the UK! (Lots of rat running I imagine!)
Haltamer said:
donkmeister said:
I don't want speed bumps with the associated noise and vibration. I don't want a speed camera. I want people to start using the relief road built at great expense but until my road is properly crap to drive on people will prefer the shortcut.
This is where the Dutch engineering approach is needed; Using reduced limits and increased "danger" and inconvenience is needed, causing people to prefer the roads with a priority for traffic flow over access:( https://www.swov.nl/sites/default/files/publicatie... )
Needless to say, there are ways to achieve the desired effect other than speedbumps, which are preferable both in terms of cost and use:- Removing road markings, or using them to narrow the road, increasing the sense of "danger" and reducing speeds - Things like curb extensions, neck downs and the like.
There's a perfect example in Poeldijk; Compare the red (Flow route) to the blue (Access road) on streetview, and think about how the same layout would work in the UK! (Lots of rat running I imagine!)
lyonspride said:
It's always the somewhat elderly locals having a moan, retired they've got nothing left in life that they have any real control over, so they start complaining about non-existent problems to the local councillors, who always go out of their way to please this demographic because they're the one's who vote. There was probably absolutely no problem in the first place, maybe just the odd biker making a lot of noise.
But I am actually an 'elderly local' and I find that most of my local friends who are in my age bracket are also displeased with the speed cushions. Even the Chairperson of our WI asked my wife to thank me for my letter to the local paper. So it is not just 'we oldies'. I find that it tends to be younger drivers who slow to 15 mph or less over the cushions on the straight bit of road and I am one of those who overtake them as they do so (at the legal 30 mph, of course!).I have yet to find anyone who supports these artificial pollution creators.
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