Darling Ist At It Again!
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I hear on news that our toothesome cornetto ist at it again...
He wants to trial a "Pay As You Drive" satellite tracking in either Manchester or Birmingham! :yikes:
I think I see in my crystal ball - a revolt which make M4 protest look like a blip.
I think that any trial should be met mit mass refusal to have software in car. They cannot lock up everyone - und if they try fines - we all refuse to pay und clog up the court system!
Ist simplest solution - und only way I think we can fight this one! :ranting:
Ist not on! Ist spying und tagging people! :ranting:
He wants to trial a "Pay As You Drive" satellite tracking in either Manchester or Birmingham! :yikes:
I think I see in my crystal ball - a revolt which make M4 protest look like a blip.
I think that any trial should be met mit mass refusal to have software in car. They cannot lock up everyone - und if they try fines - we all refuse to pay und clog up the court system!
Ist simplest solution - und only way I think we can fight this one! :ranting:
Ist not on! Ist spying und tagging people! :ranting:
From: Manchester 'pay as you drive' administration department'.
To: Mr Balmoral Green.
Dear Mr Green,
Thank you for visiting Manchester recently, here is your bill.
Total miles covered within Manchester city boundary, 32 miles at £2.50p per mile = £80.00p
Gas guzzler tax loading (due to your vehicle having co2 emmissions of over 500g) = £50.00p
We also note from or satellite tracking technology that at 10.06 am you did exceed the posted speed limit in a 30mph zone by 2mph, at 10.23 am you did exceed the posted speed limit in a 40mph zone by 3mph, and at 15.23pm on the M6 you exceeded the posted 70mph speed limit by 23mph. Please find enclosed a supplementary invoice for an additional £620 and please note that you are now banned for a period of six months.
Have a nice day.
To: Mr Balmoral Green.
Dear Mr Green,
Thank you for visiting Manchester recently, here is your bill.
Total miles covered within Manchester city boundary, 32 miles at £2.50p per mile = £80.00p
Gas guzzler tax loading (due to your vehicle having co2 emmissions of over 500g) = £50.00p
We also note from or satellite tracking technology that at 10.06 am you did exceed the posted speed limit in a 30mph zone by 2mph, at 10.23 am you did exceed the posted speed limit in a 40mph zone by 3mph, and at 15.23pm on the M6 you exceeded the posted 70mph speed limit by 23mph. Please find enclosed a supplementary invoice for an additional £620 and please note that you are now banned for a period of six months.
Have a nice day.
WildCat said:
I hear on news that our toothesome cornetto ist at it again...
He wants to trial a "Pay As You Drive" satellite tracking in either Manchester or Birmingham!
I think I see in my crystal ball - a revolt which make M4 protest look like a blip.
I think that any trial should be met mit mass refusal to have software in car. They cannot lock up everyone - und if they try fines - we all refuse to pay und clog up the court system!
Ist simplest solution - und only way I think we can fight this one!
Ist not on! Ist spying und tagging people!
Well said Vrenchen. Complete agreement from here.
This proposal is quite sufficient to merit a drivers' revolution, and I hope that is what happens, and soon. There is no way we should accept any form of 'spy' device compulsorily fitted in vehicles, and anything to do with external speed monitoring or control should be an 'over my dead body' matter.
I've reminded you previously that this sort of abominable apparatus will probably not arrive until my driving career is over, but for most of you it would mean the end of your prospects of enjoying your motoring. It need not happen, and it must not happen.
Changes will inevitably need to be made to our usage of motor vehicles, but we must retain (or rather regain) as much freedom as possible to enjoy ourselves for at least some of our driving.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Seems like they are going to keep repeating this every week until we are stupified enough to just accept it - bit like that bloody frog thing.
I suppose it only tells them where the box is and maybe where the car is - unless they have plans to force the system to indicate who is driving the car. And maybe a list of passengers.
Of course there will be some benefits spun out of this.
I mean it will be impossible to nick cars unless you impersonate normal drivers and passengers (presumably) and if you dod manage to slope off with it you would be fully traceable.
I wonder what they would do for foreign reg vehicles?
I could also guess at tremendous social upheaval as people attempt to re-organise their lives to reduce travel requirements. It might even de-stabilise what will be left of the economy.
I suppose it only tells them where the box is and maybe where the car is - unless they have plans to force the system to indicate who is driving the car. And maybe a list of passengers.
Of course there will be some benefits spun out of this.
I mean it will be impossible to nick cars unless you impersonate normal drivers and passengers (presumably) and if you dod manage to slope off with it you would be fully traceable.
I wonder what they would do for foreign reg vehicles?
I could also guess at tremendous social upheaval as people attempt to re-organise their lives to reduce travel requirements. It might even de-stabilise what will be left of the economy.
LongQ said:
I suppose it only tells them where the box is and maybe where the car is - unless they have plans to force the system to indicate who is driving the car. And maybe a list of passengers.
Once they have brought in compulsory ID cards, they'll use the RFID chip within the card (there will be one, they are even in bank notes now) to log who is in the car. Of course, microwave ovens tend to have a somewhat debilitating effect on said chips
(now, where did I put my tin foil hat?)
>> Edited by MR2Mike on Sunday 5th June 23:48
silverback mike said:
No-one is putting a black box anywhere near my private car.
They can shove it as far as they like where the sun doesn't shine.
top man...... but surely you'll be expected to enforce this type of 'intrusion'
Over my dead body will there be a 'working' tracking unit in my car.
Darling is a cock!
Bluementhol said:
Scary as it is this is just bad news that makes everyone grateful when they just add £100 on road tax and 20p a litre on fuel. Hurrahhh not as bad as it could have been!
Ho hum.
agreed.
darling still cant afford a full bottle of grecian 2000 though,only enough to do his eyebrows......the badger-faced t
t!LongQ said:
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Of course there will be some benefits spun out of this.
I mean it will be impossible to nick cars unless you impersonate normal drivers and passengers (presumably) and if you dod manage to slope off with it you would be fully traceable.
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The govt will try to use this to make their tracking proposal look more acceptible.
This technology already exists - it's called 'Tracker' - if my car is nicked I ring up, it gets activated and transmits a signal so the police can locate the car and apprehend the thief.
www.ncs-systems.com/tracker_svrs.php
My company is getting into vehicle tracking in a big way on HGVs. The technology is very fallable at the moment and would require a lot of development to become usable in this way.
I am not suggesting we rest on our laurels, bur this idea needs stamping out NOW before people start accepting it!
>> Edited by tim.tonal on Monday 6th June 07:30
The problem with this is that it will be sold to the stupid as a fair system. My mum on the phone yesterday said it was a good idea as she only drives to the shops and to take my sisters kids to school. Now when I pointed out that the charges for her use would be peak time and would be for every single mile, she changed her views quite quickly.
It is the old divide and rule principle at work, tell everyone it is the other person they are after and then when the law gets through it is too late.
The supporters quote the London congestion charge as the model, yet the people it has affected the most is the poorer in the workforce who have been forced out of the car onto the buses and tubes. The wealthy will still be able to afford to drive, the dishonest will still be able to afford to drive, those on scocial will still be able to drive, but for a large proportion of the workforce they will not.
It is the old divide and rule principle at work, tell everyone it is the other person they are after and then when the law gets through it is too late.
The supporters quote the London congestion charge as the model, yet the people it has affected the most is the poorer in the workforce who have been forced out of the car onto the buses and tubes. The wealthy will still be able to afford to drive, the dishonest will still be able to afford to drive, those on scocial will still be able to drive, but for a large proportion of the workforce they will not.
Ist now being debated on the Vine Prog - und one comment on advert for it seemed to highlight absurdity of being charged £128 for one journey. Und fact that government will know about 2bit on side" before the hubby/wife Mad Doc und self -truly madly deeply comiited to each other - but we are aware that others may not have the same bliss we have!
If this ist even trialled - can only suggest that there ist biggest campaign to nobble this from start.
Und fact that government will know about 2bit on side" before the hubby/wife Mad Doc und self -truly madly deeply comiited to each other - but we are aware that others may not have the same bliss we have! If this ist even trialled - can only suggest that there ist biggest campaign to nobble this from start.
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