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vixpy1

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42,699 posts

294 months

Monday 6th June 2005
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Not having had an NIP for a couple of years, i can't believe the cheek of Surrey Police at the start of the letter they have sent me offering me (how nice :rolleyes) three points and a £60 fine for the privalige of driving 15mph over the speed limit on a dual carrigway!

'We have evidence that you were the driver of vehicle registration mark..... blah blah..


EVIDENCE??? you mean the signed statement that i sent you admitting, under threat of prosecuction if i don't admit it or blame someone else, to being the driver!

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8Pack

5,182 posts

270 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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Maybe a campaign needs to be started Vixpy, when, as you did, choose to sign the NIP. We should also add to the bottom: "Signed under duress against my rights under.....blah, blah, blah!"

Several million of those should make a point.

philthy

4,697 posts

270 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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....something like:

As the government of the United kingdom refuses to recognise my rights under article 6 of the European convention on human rights, I am signing this declaration under duress. Should legal action to restore my rights become available I will seek full redress by any means open to me.



Phil

edited for spelling

>> Edited by philthy on Tuesday 7th June 07:07

cooperman

4,428 posts

280 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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If you look at the Pepipoo site you will se the actual wording you should use to require the CPS to respect your basic human rights.
I believe that if you just send back the NiP, filled in as they request, you are deemed to be making a voluntary confession without the need for a formal caution. However, if you state that the information provided as required under s172 is just that, i.e. information, and that this information shall not be used in any proceedings against the person providing the information without a formal caution being first given by a police officer as required under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE).
The detail of this is, I'm quite sure, on Pepipoo, but I really don't know how effective this 'PACE' defence is. Rumour has it that the CPS are reluctant to allow this defence to be used in case they lose and generally, after more threats, bluff and bluster (at which point many cave in and pay up), just drop the case.

volvos70t5

852 posts

259 months

Tuesday 7th June 2005
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The surefire way of making a stand is to have your day in court. Sure it might be a bit more expensive but the court system would collapse if everyone took that option.