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anonymous-user

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83 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Probable a silly question but if a Court tells you to do something "BY" a certain date does that include that date?

For example do something by this Monday the 10th would it be OK to do it on the 10th or, given it is a weekend beforehand, would it be best to do it on Friday 7th to be on the safe side?

martinbiz

3,699 posts

174 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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If you have reason to delay it, why push your luck

anonymous-user

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83 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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martinbiz said:
If you have reason to delay it, why push your luck
Point taken but it doesn't answer my question though smile

Fatball

645 posts

88 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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catweasle said:
Probable a silly question but if a Court tells you to do something "BY" a certain date does that include that date?

For example do something by this Monday the 10th would it be OK to do it on the 10th or, given it is a weekend beforehand, would it be best to do it on Friday 7th to be on the safe side?
If pushing it, I’d have it done by the time the court opens on the given day.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

246 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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My reading of these things is that if you want it done before a date you say that 'before'.
I take 'by' to be not later than, as in it can be on or before.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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vonhosen said:
My reading of these things is that if you want it done before a date you say that 'before'.
I take 'by' to be not later than, as in it can be on or before.
That is what I thought also but not certain.

There's a bit more to it:

It's actually file to Court and serve on another party......I have just filed with the Court by tracked post (to be on the safe side) but I have a suspicion the other party are waiting until the last minute to see what I serve on them before sending theirs so I want to leave mine to the last minute. (if needs be I will email it to them Sunday night).

paintman

7,860 posts

219 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Safest answer would be by ringing the court & asking.

But leaving things to the last minute risks unforeseen problems preventing the required action & giving you little time for an alternative.

IJWS15

2,220 posts

114 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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The court is likely to ignore any documents submitted after the deadline, ring them and ask but work on by means before.

agtlaw

7,403 posts

235 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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catweasle said:
That is what I thought also but not certain.

There's a bit more to it:

It's actually file to Court and serve on another party......I have just filed with the Court by tracked post (to be on the safe side) but I have a suspicion the other party are waiting until the last minute to see what I serve on them before sending theirs so I want to leave mine to the last minute. (if needs be I will email it to them Sunday night).
Be very careful with this and do not miss the deadline.

Serve, for example, does not mean send. These are two completely different concepts.

In criminal proceedings, a document sent electronically is served on the same day if sent before 2:30 p.m. on a business day. Otherwise, it is served the next business day; see CrimPR 4.11(2)(d)

In civil proceedings, service requirements are set out in CPR 6.14 (for a claim form) and CPR 6.26 (for any other document).





Edited by agtlaw on Thursday 6th February 12:29

SS2.

14,712 posts

267 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Does this help ?

Civil Procedure Rules said:
Dates for compliance to be calendar dates and to include time of day

2.9 (1) Where the court gives a judgment, order or direction which imposes a time limit for doing any act, the last date for compliance must, wherever practicable –

(a) be expressed as a calendar date; and

(b) include the time of day by which the act must be done.

(2) Where the date by which an act must be done is inserted in any document, the date must, wherever practicable, be expressed as a calendar date.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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agtlaw said:
catweasle said:
That is what I thought also but not certain.

There's a bit more to it:

It's actually file to Court and serve on another party......I have just filed with the Court by tracked post (to be on the safe side) but I have a suspicion the other party are waiting until the last minute to see what I serve on them before sending theirs so I want to leave mine to the last minute. (if needs be I will email it to them Sunday night).
Be very careful with this and do not miss the deadline.

Serve, for example, does not mean send. These are two completely different concepts.

In criminal proceedings, a document sent electronically is served on the same day if sent before 2:30 p.m. on a business day. Otherwise, it is served the next business day; see CrimPR 4.11(2)(d)
Thanks for the replies. Think I will send the email and attachments 2.15pm on Friday just to be on the safe side.

Incidentally, Court have not indicated electronic filing so I am posting my papers etc but am I right in thinking solicitor firms have a direct fax type thingy? (DX)

Forget the last bit.........did my own research rather than being lazy.


Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 6th February 13:14

SydneyBridge

11,740 posts

187 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Send it tracked delivery, in case the other side try and say they did not recieve and you can prove when recieved.

An Order would normally say by 4pm on.... so 4pm is deadline, normally the time the court closes

Chrisgr31

14,275 posts

284 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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catweasle said:
Incidentally, Court have not indicated electronic filing so I am posting my papers etc but am I right in thinking solicitor firms have a direct fax type thingy? (DX)
There was a decision of the Supreme Court last year that determined electronic service of a Completion Notice was valid, so I would assume you can serve Court documents electronically too.