Logbook LOLs - what do I do in this situation?!
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If I bought a car, in late December 2019 say,
from someone who themselves bought it at the start of that month,
and who gave me the whole log book with the previous owner's details on it i.e. they had not registered the car in their name during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
but who had taxed it using the new keeper's supplement (I have checked this) for 6 months during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
and the person that I bought it from factored the tax that they'd put on into the sale i.e. I paid more as car was taxed,
and because the car's been off the road I've not sent anything off anywhere yet i.e. i have the full logbook,
WTF do I do now to ensure that a) the car is registered in my name (easy) AND b) stays taxed for the remainder of the six months that it's already been taxed for using the new keeper supplement?!
Car's insured by me since I bought it, so no SORNing or owt necessary.
I've helpfully delineated the myriad aspects of this so that you can all tell me line by line what an eejit I am
from someone who themselves bought it at the start of that month,
and who gave me the whole log book with the previous owner's details on it i.e. they had not registered the car in their name during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
but who had taxed it using the new keeper's supplement (I have checked this) for 6 months during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
and the person that I bought it from factored the tax that they'd put on into the sale i.e. I paid more as car was taxed,
and because the car's been off the road I've not sent anything off anywhere yet i.e. i have the full logbook,
WTF do I do now to ensure that a) the car is registered in my name (easy) AND b) stays taxed for the remainder of the six months that it's already been taxed for using the new keeper supplement?!
Car's insured by me since I bought it, so no SORNing or owt necessary.
I've helpfully delineated the myriad aspects of this so that you can all tell me line by line what an eejit I am
Seems a little confusing, are you saying you payed more for the car as it was taxed for six months? You are aware as soon as you register it in your name the original owners tax is returned and you are responsible for whatever tax is required i.e. there is no way you can secure the six months tax on the car. Obviously I’m answering a question that I’m not too sure what’s being asked
BMWBen said:
Register it to you, the seller will get refunded, they give you the money?
You might want to pre-empt the likely situation of points 1 and 2 being true, and point 3 being a pipedream, by talking to the seller. Obviously doing the digital transfer of ownership at the end of Feb, and then taxing it yourself at the start of March will save you a month of double tax. Obviously it would be off the road for that period.echazfraz said:
If I bought a car, in late December 2019 say,
from someone who themselves bought it at the start of that month,
and who gave me the whole log book with the previous owner's details on it i.e. they had not registered the car in their name during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
but who had taxed it using the new keeper's supplement (I have checked this) for 6 months during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
and the person that I bought it from factored the tax that they'd put on into the sale i.e. I paid more as car was taxed,
and because the car's been off the road I've not sent anything off anywhere yet i.e. i have the full logbook,
WTF do I do now to ensure that a) the car is registered in my name (easy) AND b) stays taxed for the remainder of the six months that it's already been taxed for using the new keeper supplement?!
Car's insured by me since I bought it, so no SORNing or owt necessary.
I've helpfully delineated the myriad aspects of this so that you can all tell me line by line what an eejit I am
Well done, you've cost yourself 6 months tax from someone who themselves bought it at the start of that month,
and who gave me the whole log book with the previous owner's details on it i.e. they had not registered the car in their name during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
but who had taxed it using the new keeper's supplement (I have checked this) for 6 months during the three weeks that they'd owned it,
and the person that I bought it from factored the tax that they'd put on into the sale i.e. I paid more as car was taxed,
and because the car's been off the road I've not sent anything off anywhere yet i.e. i have the full logbook,
WTF do I do now to ensure that a) the car is registered in my name (easy) AND b) stays taxed for the remainder of the six months that it's already been taxed for using the new keeper supplement?!
Car's insured by me since I bought it, so no SORNing or owt necessary.
I've helpfully delineated the myriad aspects of this so that you can all tell me line by line what an eejit I am
speedking31 said:
on't it be the previous owner before the seller who gets the money? i.e. does the DVLA assume that the RK (at the time) has paid the VED?
Yes whoever is the registered keeper at the time of the sale will have the ved refunded, but whoever it is it won’t be the OP, if he’s paid extra for road tax he’s been well tucked upechazfraz said:
Thanks all - I did wonder if I'd been done.
How come he was able to tax it using the RK supplement, that's what I don't understand?
Using the green slip he can tax the car. The DVLA don't care who owns or pays for the car, as long as the tax is paid. He's either paying each month or a set period. When you do the change of keeper, the original name on the logbook will get the refund due, which might be a number of months, or nothing if it was done monthly. How come he was able to tax it using the RK supplement, that's what I don't understand?
You will need to tax it from when you make the application for the car (or officially from when you purchased the car)
tony wright said:
Seems a little confusing, are you saying you payed more for the car as it was taxed for six months? You are aware as soon as you register it in your name the original owners tax is returned and you are responsible for whatever tax is required i.e. there is no way you can secure the six months tax on the car. Obviously I’m answering a question that I’m not too sure what’s being asked
Pretty much, yes. Maybe easier if I say this:Me - own the car now. Not RK as I still have the RK's full v5
Seller - bought the car from RK, sold it to me. Taxed the car using the new keeper supplement of the full v5 but never registered the car in his name.
RK - sold the car to seller, who then sold it to me. I've never met RK! RK did sign the v5 on the date that Seller bought it from them. Seller hasn't signed v5 though.
The seller told me that because he'd used the new keeper supplement on the V5 to tax the car that when I sent the full v5 to DVLA telling them that I had bought the car the tax would remain on it. It has pretty much taken all of you and me typing this out now to realise how stupid this sounds!
echazfraz said:
Further question from the fool - how is VED refunded? Cheque to address of RK? Or transfer to whoever last paid it using their bank details from when they paid it?
It will go to the registered keeper by cheque, none of this really makes sense. If it had been the taxed using the new keeper part by the dealer then he will not benefit from a refund? But he will get a refund when you tax it, so maybe that is his little scam. I would go back to the dealer if you haven’t done so already and ask what he’s playing at.The correct procedure is the dealer should have given you the new keeper supplement and sent the reg doc to the DVLA with your details as the new keeper
Edited by martinbiz on Thursday 13th February 15:04
I would have a small bet with you that DVLA will match up your change of keeper with the other party's application to tax using the new keeper supplement, and they'll just assume that you are the same person and "their" tax will pass to you.
The DVLA have no way of knowing that you are not the same person who was just a bit careless or late in completing the change of owner.
I've occasionally taxed cars whilst they are "in trade" if it's only £20 or 30 or less for the year. It's easier than having to take trade plates, sometimes. When I've then sold them and notified the keeper change the tax has remained with the car.
ETA - In paying the seller it looks like you have effectively just reimbursed him for the tax he paid for. If that tax was applied for on a green slip then it will still be assumed to be yours by the DVLA, albeit it will only be the remainder.
If it was taxed by the actual registered keeper using a tax reminder or the front part of the V5 however, then you've been done
The DVLA have no way of knowing that you are not the same person who was just a bit careless or late in completing the change of owner.
I've occasionally taxed cars whilst they are "in trade" if it's only £20 or 30 or less for the year. It's easier than having to take trade plates, sometimes. When I've then sold them and notified the keeper change the tax has remained with the car.
ETA - In paying the seller it looks like you have effectively just reimbursed him for the tax he paid for. If that tax was applied for on a green slip then it will still be assumed to be yours by the DVLA, albeit it will only be the remainder.
If it was taxed by the actual registered keeper using a tax reminder or the front part of the V5 however, then you've been done
Edited by Wooda80 on Thursday 13th February 15:41
Looking at this further it may be ok. We went to a s/h car dealer last June and bought a car for our daughter, on the day we collected it the dealer (or his runner 
) nipped down the Post Office and taxed it and we paid him the (ok only £30) year's worth. The log book was sent off with our Daughter's details and there was no problem. Could it be (in OP's case) similar except for the 'gap' between it being taxed and the purchase. Maybe a frustrated sale 3 weeks ago? who knows.
) nipped down the Post Office and taxed it and we paid him the (ok only £30) year's worth. The log book was sent off with our Daughter's details and there was no problem. Could it be (in OP's case) similar except for the 'gap' between it being taxed and the purchase. Maybe a frustrated sale 3 weeks ago? who knows.Tyre Smoke said:
How do you tax a car on the new keeper supplement without filling your new keeper details in, whether on line or the actual paper slip? DVLA need to know the vehicle is insured, how do they know that unless they have a name and address? They need to tie the two together.
You might be surprised to learn that they don't.You don't need to input name & address when taxing using V5C/2 and a credit / debit card, just payment details.
You will need to put name and address if paying by direct debit but this is to fulfil the requirements of the DD authorisation rather than to see who is the keeper, they needn't be the came.
Wooda80 said:
I would have a small bet with you that DVLA will match up your change of keeper with the other party's application to tax using the new keeper supplement, and they'll just assume that you are the same person and "their" tax will pass to you.
The DVLA have no way of knowing that you are not the same person who was just a bit careless or late in completing the change of owner.
I've occasionally taxed cars whilst they are "in trade" if it's only £20 or 30 or less for the year. It's easier than having to take trade plates, sometimes. When I've then sold them and notified the keeper change the tax has remained with the car.
ETA - In paying the seller it looks like you have effectively just reimbursed him for the tax he paid for. If that tax was applied for on a green slip then it will still be assumed to be yours by the DVLA, albeit it will only be the remainder.
If it was taxed by the actual registered keeper using a tax reminder or the front part of the V5 however, then you've been done
I'm quoting you as I like your answer best The DVLA have no way of knowing that you are not the same person who was just a bit careless or late in completing the change of owner.
I've occasionally taxed cars whilst they are "in trade" if it's only £20 or 30 or less for the year. It's easier than having to take trade plates, sometimes. When I've then sold them and notified the keeper change the tax has remained with the car.
ETA - In paying the seller it looks like you have effectively just reimbursed him for the tax he paid for. If that tax was applied for on a green slip then it will still be assumed to be yours by the DVLA, albeit it will only be the remainder.
If it was taxed by the actual registered keeper using a tax reminder or the front part of the V5 however, then you've been done
Edited by Wooda80 on Thursday 13th February 15:41
Seller confirmed to me that he taxed it on the new keeper slip number, not the V5C or reminder (and he wouldn't have got a reminder as he's not the RK!).
I've not sent anything away as the car's been broken for about 6 weeks and it slipped my mind. When I came to do so today I remembered the tax malarky so asked the q on here.
Car is now (possibly, hopefully) fixed and I want to use it so will be sending the V5C off, with my details on it as new keeper ASAP and hoping that you're right!
https://www.moneysupermarket.com/car-insurance/art...2764ri918980_slidpgrid_55555309572_ptaid_dsa-393092633960&uuid=11111111-1111-1111-1111-111111111111&Device=t&engine=google&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIppWK043P5wIVQ9HeCh2MgwxsEAAYASAAEgJgpfD_BwE
Sorry for the long link!
This is a plain English description of VED at sale.
OP...you have an intermediate “owner” that complicates it. Have you tried asking the DVLA re who gets the refund in your scenario? It does clearly state no transfer of VED .
Sorry for the long link!
This is a plain English description of VED at sale.
OP...you have an intermediate “owner” that complicates it. Have you tried asking the DVLA re who gets the refund in your scenario? It does clearly state no transfer of VED .
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