Licence expired - driving allowed when?
Licence expired - driving allowed when?
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DocSteve

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731 posts

251 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Hi

My wife is about have a cardiac arrest as she's realised her licence expired and she can't apply online due to her maiden name having changed on her passport and there is therefore a discrepancy which needs verification (even though she still has a note on it that she uses it for professional purposes).

She is planning to go to the nearest Post Office tomorrow but it seems unclear when you can actually drive. The advice seems to be that whilst the DVLA are "processing" the application she can drive but does that mean once she's submitted it at the Post Office tomorrow or when the DVLA start processing it (which would be hard for her to know)?

Please could someone who knows the actual answer respond (I don't want responses like "the chances of her getting caught are low" or "why did she let it happen" etc). She won't drive until she knows the answer but really needs her car for work and is, err, shall we say worried about it!

Thanks in any advance for any help guys,
Steve

carreauchompeur

18,321 posts

233 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Is it just the photo card expiry? She will be fine to drive in the meantime if so.

Flumpo

4,024 posts

102 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Are you just in about the plastic card?

If so you are fine to drive, there are potential fines but Martin Lewis did a piece on this and couldn’t find a single person who had ever been fined.

SS2.

14,712 posts

267 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Are you referring to expiry of the photocard (after 10 years), or expiry of the licence (on her 70th birthday) ?

DocSteve

Original Poster:

731 posts

251 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Err, not 70 yet! Just expiry of the photo card licence.

SS2.

14,712 posts

267 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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In that case (and assuming you're not in Northern Ireland where I think things are different),her licence to drive has not expired - just the photocard.

The offence of failing to renew (or return) a photocard is committed whether or not you are actually driving.


DocSteve

Original Poster:

731 posts

251 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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SS2. said:
In that case (and assuming you're not in Northern Ireland where I think things are different),her licence to drive has not expired - just the photocard.

The offence of failing to renew (or return) a photocard is committed whether or not you are actually driving.
Thanks for this info, very helpful. Mind you the reminder from the DVLA (that she has now found!) states that the licence itself expires every 10 years and if you do not renew it you could lose your entitlement to drive and not be able to get insurance, face prosecution if stopped by police etc which sounds like it ought to be an endorsable offence. In England btw not NI.

Thanks again,
Steve

SS2.

14,712 posts

267 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Failing to renew or return an expired photocard carries a maximum fine of £1,000. It isn't endorsable.

It's an administrative offence and is committed whether or not you get behind the wheel.

Simply apply for a new photocard and don't stress it.

DocSteve

Original Poster:

731 posts

251 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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SS2. said:
Failing to renew or return an expired photocard carries a maximum fine of £1,000. It isn't endorsable.

It's an administrative offence and is committed whether or not you get behind the wheel.

Simply apply for a new photocard and don't stress it.
Thanks - I shall see if I can calm her down.... I'm administering wine at the moment :-)

ooo000ooo

2,646 posts

223 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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If it helps, mine expired last January, as an expert procrastinator I only renewed it last week. Took longer to get an acceptable photo than to fill the online form in and I received my new one within a couple of days. No fines or anything.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

156 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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carreauchompeur said:
Is it just the photo card expiry? She will be fine to drive in the meantime if so.
This.
Its only your photo, your licence is still valid.
Mine expired for 5 years and it made absolutely no difference hiring a van for our euro trips ect. Even had it looked at by police when pulled for tinted glass on a car I'd just took in when drivi g to get it cleaned.
It really is nothing to worry about.
Forget the '£1k fine', it just doesn't and won't happen..



ging84

9,548 posts

175 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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The offense is simply having an expired photocard, so drive or not the police can show up at your door like the stasi any time, but they dont because they have twitter users to harass

Dog Star

17,591 posts

197 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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A1VDY said:
This.
Its only your photo, your licence is still valid.
Mine expired for 5 years and it made absolutely no difference hiring a van for our euro trips ect. Even had it looked at by police when pulled for tinted glass on a car I'd just took in when drivi g to get it cleaned.
It really is nothing to worry about.
Forget the '£1k fine', it just doesn't and won't happen..
Forgot mine for five years too - only got it sorted when the French banned me and never sent it back. Probably because I’d moved house sense....

sospan

2,755 posts

251 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Try to get her to go to a Post Office that has a photo booth used for this purpose, i.e documents requiring photos with criteria for the photo itself. I tried taking photos of my wife to renew online and after many rejections for varying reasons ( shadows, background , others ....no smutty comments please) I sent her to the PO. Took just a few minutes and no issues at all.
It amazes me that the quality of the photo license photo that comes back is poor yet they require such a high level of conformance!
Similar for renewal of passports. However those we took passed the online scrutiny with only a couple of rejections.