Just got caught speeding...
Just got caught speeding...
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Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35

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744 posts

78 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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79 in a 50 on the Sidcup Bypass. Police traffic car was parked up on one of the slip roads.

I've currently got 3 points which expire in August but I believe they still show on my license for another year.

The officers said my speed was too excessive and I should expect an appointment with the courts. The only positive was they liked the C63 and said they heard me approach before zapping me with the speed gun...oh well...lol

What does PH think? Am I done for?

p4cks

7,168 posts

215 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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Your current 3 points will disappear entirely from your driving record when they expire. They won't even appear in your 'history' with the DVLA.

As for the current speeding offence, I suspect you might get 6 points.

mickyh7

2,347 posts

102 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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I thought points stayed on record for 4 years, to enable courts to see some History if needed.
After 4 years there is no record even if you allow Insurance companies to look at your data.
They will find nothing.
I'm almost certain of this??? I think!

Butter Face

33,006 posts

176 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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3 points and a band B fine I reckon

p4cks

7,168 posts

215 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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mickyh7

2,347 posts

102 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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Using that link I'm seeing speeding points staying as history for 4 years.
I did my research when I got to 6 points 5 years ago!

Edited by mickyh7 on Sunday 10th May 18:07

roadsmash

2,665 posts

86 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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Yes, typically an SP30, SP50 and similar offences remain valid for 3 years but stay on the license for 4 years.

This doesn’t really help the OP though.

roadsmash

2,665 posts

86 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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p4cks said:
Well... wasn’t difficult:


martinbiz

3,585 posts

161 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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Points valid for totting purposes for 3 years

Stay on licence for 4 years

Need to be declared for 5 years for insurance purposes

All run from date of offence, not date of conviction

Op is in for a band C fine and 6 points, a disqualification of 7-56 days is possible. You won't be banned and get points., it's one or the other

richs2891

903 posts

269 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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I'm curious which is a seen as worse by the insurance companies a short ban - 7 to 14 day for speeding or 6 points for speeding?

Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35

Original Poster:

744 posts

78 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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richs2891 said:
I'm curious which is a seen as worse by the insurance companies a short ban - 7 to 14 day for speeding or 6 points for speeding?
I'm pretty sure I'll find out come August time which is my renewal.

anonymous-user

70 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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I know it doesnt change anything but that stty piece of road used to be 70.

Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35

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744 posts

78 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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Alan535 said:
I know it doesnt change anything but that stty piece of road used to be 70.
It was the section heading toward London, just after the Orpington slip road where it becomes a 50. The police car was sitting on the next slip road which connects to the slip road for Sidcup, which I then joined to get off the A20. They followed me for a bit and then pulled me over next to that college in Sidcup, just after the roundabout.


Edited by Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35 on Sunday 10th May 20:02

CourtAgain

3,774 posts

80 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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martinbiz said:
Points valid for totting purposes for 3 years

Stay on licence for 4 years

Need to be declared for 5 years for insurance purposes

All run from date of offence, not date of conviction

Op is in for a band C fine and 6 points, a disqualification of 7-56 days is possible. You won't be banned and get points., it's one or the other
Courts can issue a discretionary disqualification, (7 to 56 days) and the 6 points remain on the licence. I think it's only regular bans (including Totting Up) remove the points and add the TT code to show the disqualification period (which can come off after 3 years)...

From stop by police, to Single Justice Procedure Notice (processed by Dartford) is roughly 2 months, and once you've filled out the SJPN it can be up to a few weeks for the courts to provide a court date and send the summons. Speaking from experience, sadly frown

Edited by CourtAgain on Sunday 10th May 21:32

CourtAgain

3,774 posts

80 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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martinbiz said:
Points valid for totting purposes for 3 years

Stay on licence for 4 years

Need to be declared for 5 years for insurance purposes

All run from date of offence, not date of conviction

Op is in for a band C fine and 6 points, a disqualification of 7-56 days is possible. You won't be banned and get points., it's one or the other
Courts can issue a discretionary disqualification, (7 to 56 days) and the 6 points remain on the licence. I think it's only regular bans (including Totting Up) remove the points and add the TT code to show the disqualification period (which can come off after 3 years)...

From stop by police, to Single Justice Procedure Notice (processed by Dartford) is roughly 2 months, and once you've filled out the SJPN it can be up to a few weeks for the courts to provide a court date and send the summons. Speaking from experience, sadly frown

Edited by CourtAgain on Sunday 10th May 21:34

Chicken_Satay

2,426 posts

220 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35 said:
It was the section heading toward London, just after the Orpington slip road where it becomes a 50. The police car was sitting on the next slip road which connects to the slip road for Sidcup, which I then joined to get off the A20. They followed me for a bit and then pulled me over next to that college in Sidcup, just after the roundabout.


Edited by Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35 on Sunday 10th May 20:02
If you're doing 79 in a 50, would you not normally be keeping a close eye on the rear view mirror for marked and unmarked cars?

Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35

Original Poster:

744 posts

78 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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CourtAgain said:
From stop by police, to Single Justice Procedure Notice (processed by Dartford) is roughly 2 months, and once you've filled out the SJPN it can be up to a few weeks for the courts to provide a court date and send the summons. Speaking from experience, sadly frown
Thanks for that info. I do wonder if the Corona stuff will delay things somewhat.

Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35

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744 posts

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Sunday 10th May 2020
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Chicken_Satay said:
If you're doing 79 in a 50, would you not normally be keeping a close eye on the rear view mirror for marked and unmarked cars?
Yes, but their radar gun was quicker than my foot on the brake pedal.

agtlaw

7,191 posts

222 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35 said:
79 in a 50 on the Sidcup Bypass. Police traffic car was parked up on one of the slip roads.

I've currently got 3 points which expire in August but I believe they still show on my license for another year.

The officers said my speed was too excessive and I should expect an appointment with the courts. The only positive was they liked the C63 and said they heard me approach before zapping me with the speed gun...oh well...lol

What does PH think? Am I done for?
79/50 is too fast for a course. Also too fast for a £100 fixed penalty with 3 points.

You should expect an SJPN to be issued within 6 months. Otherwise, a Postal Requisition. You can deal with this online (makeaplea) or by post. Online is preferable.

You should anticipate 6 penalty points. Otherwise, a disqualfication of any length but not usually in excess of 56 days.

The fine is limited to £1000. Subject to the maximum, the fine is commensurate with your declared net weekly income and your plea. If you plead guilty and N is your net weekly income then the most likely fine is N and the sentencing range is N x ⅚ to N x 7/6.

You will also be liable for prosecution costs (usually around £85) and a so-called victim surcharge; levied at 10% of the fine subject to a minimum of £34.

Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35

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744 posts

78 months

Sunday 10th May 2020
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agtlaw said:
79/50 is too fast for a course. Also too fast for a £100 fixed penalty with 3 points.

You should expect an SJPN to be issued within 6 months. Otherwise, a Postal Requisition. You can deal with this online (makeaplea) or by post. Online is preferable.

You should anticipate 6 penalty points. Otherwise, a disqualfication of any length but not usually in excess of 56 days.

The fine is limited to £1000. Subject to the maximum, the fine is commensurate with your declared net weekly income and your plea. If you plead guilty and N is your net weekly income then the most likely fine is N and the sentencing range is N x ? to N x 7/6.

You will also be liable for prosecution costs (usually around £85) and a so-called victim surcharge; levied at 10% of the fine subject to a minimum of £34.
Many thanks agtlaw and very helpful too, I really appreciate your taking the time to reply.