90 in a 70 - 6 points £576 Fine
90 in a 70 - 6 points £576 Fine
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Sea Demon

Original Poster:

1,168 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Was stopped for speeding, 90 in a 70 - NIP stated that the speed limit was 70mph.

Sent off paperwork, received letter back from court stating that due to exceeding the 50pmh limit I've got 6 points & £576 fine - clean license previously.

As the speed limit was 70mph is there any point in my contesting? If so how do I contest it?

The offence code is SP30

LosingGrip

8,852 posts

188 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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What speed limit is the road? What vehicle were you in? Was it a van with a lower limit?

90 in a 70 would normally be fixed penalty speeds unless you had nine or more points already which you don't.

It could be they made a mistake on the NIP (no it won't change anything).

Won't hurt to give the courts or ticket office of the police a ring to find out.

Nigel_O

3,850 posts

248 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Surely 90 in a 50 would have resulted in a summons (can't remember the threshold, but I have 85 or 86 in my mind from somewhere)

Sea Demon

Original Poster:

1,168 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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LosingGrip said:
What speed limit is the road? What vehicle were you in? Was it a van with a lower limit?

90 in a 70 would normally be fixed penalty speeds unless you had nine or more points already which you don't.

It could be they made a mistake on the NIP (no it won't change anything).

Won't hurt to give the courts or ticket office of the police a ring to find out.
Its a motorway, 70 mph - I was on a bike going to work.

If the points/fine is appropriate I'll just live with it but I was thinking they might be basing my outcome on a 50mph limit but then I'd be looking at a ban I suppose oh well!

A500leroy

8,409 posts

147 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Sea Demon said:
Its a motorway, 70 mph - I was on a bike going to work.

If the points/fine is appropriate I'll just live with it but I was thinking they might be basing my outcome on a 50mph limit but then I'd be looking at a ban I suppose oh well!
what did the overhead sign say? maybe they had dropped it to 50 for roadworks/accident etc?

agtlaw

7,402 posts

235 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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90/70 wouldn’t ordinarily get to court. It’s a fixed penalty case. £100 with 3 points.

If proceedings are instituted then 90/70 at court is still 3 points.

You should get legal advice.

Sea Demon

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1,168 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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A500leroy said:
what did the overhead sign say? maybe they had dropped it to 50 for roadworks/accident etc?
No overhead signs or anything like that at the part of the M20 I was on - I was approaching the M25 Swanley Interchange heading to London, NIP stated the speed of the road was 70mph.

Collection order says: 1 /Exceed 50mph speed limit in contravention of local traffic order - manned equipment

That says to me that they're under the impression the road has a 50mph limit? I'm not trying to get out of paying anything just want to make sure what I'm being prosecuted for is correct.

agtlaw

7,402 posts

235 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Also, SP30 is a non-motorway offence. SP50 is a motorway offence.

croyde

26,350 posts

259 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Yep, I got done for 85 on the A3 where it's 3 lanes and 70 limit.

I got SP30 3pts and £100 fine.

I know that part where you got done is quite often 50 average speed but as above, looks like they gave you the wrong code too.

Sea Demon

Original Poster:

1,168 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Thanks everyone - even the officer that stopped me said more than likely 3 points & £100 so looks like I have something to sort out.

Will seek some advice - any recommendations?

Dibble

13,276 posts

269 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Sea Demon said:
Thanks everyone - even the officer that stopped me said more than likely 3 points & £100 so looks like I have something to sort out.

Will seek some advice - any recommendations?
agtlaw on here - he posted a few posts above.

I’ve never dealt with him, we’ve had very occasional differences of opinion, sit on “opposite sides”, but if I needed motoring offence advice, he’d be the first person I’d speak to.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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agtlaw said:
90/70 wouldn’t ordinarily get to court. It’s a fixed penalty case. £100 with 3 points.

If proceedings are instituted then 90/70 at court is still 3 points.

You should get legal advice.
To be precise, OP, you should get agtlaw's legal advice.

kestral

2,230 posts

236 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Sea Demon said:
Was stopped for speeding, 90 in a 70 - NIP stated that the speed limit was 70mph.

Sent off paperwork, received letter back from court stating that due to exceeding the 50pmh limit I've got 6 points & £576 fine - clean license previously.

As the speed limit was 70mph is there any point in my contesting? If so how do I contest it?

The offence code is SP30
Why did you get a NIP if the police stopped you at the road side?

4rephill

5,167 posts

207 months

Tuesday 19th May 2020
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Sea Demon said:
Was stopped for speeding, 90 in a 70 - NIP stated that the speed limit was 70mph.

Sent off paperwork, received letter back from court stating that due to exceeding the 50pmh limit I've got 6 points & £576 fine - clean license previously.

As the speed limit was 70mph is there any point in my contesting? If so how do I contest it?

The offence code is SP30
Sea Demon said:
Thanks everyone - even the officer that stopped me said more than likely 3 points & £100 so looks like I have something to sort out.......
kestral said:
Why did you get a NIP if the police stopped you at the road side?
+1 confused

Are you confusing a speeding ticket with a NIP?

If you were stopped by a police officer at the roadside, then your NIP was verbal, and you were issued a speeding ticket. They don't write out a NIP at the roadside.

If on the other hand, you received a NIP through the post, are you sure it's not for a second speeding offence, caught on camera, and not the one you were stopped for by the Police?

Something doesn't add up! confused

agtlaw

7,402 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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4rephill said:

If you were stopped by a police officer at the roadside, then your NIP was verbal, and you were issued a speeding ticket. They don't write out a NIP at the roadside.
Probably a TOR.

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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That is cozzercode for "Twit On Road", as any fule kno.









(Traffic Offence Report)

4rephill

5,167 posts

207 months

Thursday 21st May 2020
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agtlaw said:
4rephill said:

If you were stopped by a police officer at the roadside, then your NIP was verbal, and you were issued a speeding ticket. They don't write out a NIP at the roadside.
Probably a TOR.
Most likely - I just thought I'd try to keep things simple for the OP smile

Based on the mixed information posted by Sea Demon (receiving a NIP despite being stopped by a Police Officer at the roadside, being charged with exceeding a 50mph speed limit, when the road he was stopped on was a 70mph motorway, and being charged with an SP30 offence code instead of an SP50), I'm still suspecting that there could be more than one prosecution coming his way!