Who pays if a company fails to ID driver
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I had started writing a more detailed version of this, then the person involved vetoed it as TMI. 
In a general sense, if a driver gets caught for speeding in a company vehicle, but all the paperwork goes to the employer who utterly fail to deal with it, resulting in a much larger fine than an SP30 would normally attract, who pays and who gets points?
At this stage I either don't know all the details, or have been prohibited from divulging them. Just interested in the general principle.
In a general sense, if a driver gets caught for speeding in a company vehicle, but all the paperwork goes to the employer who utterly fail to deal with it, resulting in a much larger fine than an SP30 would normally attract, who pays and who gets points?
At this stage I either don't know all the details, or have been prohibited from divulging them. Just interested in the general principle.
Ok it looks like the paperwork just hasn't been processed.
Let's imagine for a moment it is a charity... what is the equivalent of company secretary, and what form does a "spanking" take?
My firm have a cast iron system for this (don't I know it
), so it's never really occurred to me to wonder what would happen if an employer just did nothing until the situation escalated.
Let's imagine for a moment it is a charity... what is the equivalent of company secretary, and what form does a "spanking" take?
My firm have a cast iron system for this (don't I know it
), so it's never really occurred to me to wonder what would happen if an employer just did nothing until the situation escalated.The odd thing here (and I am relating this via chinese whispers) is that a minor speeding offence has turned in to a 200 quid fine.
The driver is not disputing that he was driving, but is unwilling to pay because no one had (chinny reckon) told him that vans had a lower speed limit, and therefore the employer should pay the fine.
But I am very unclear how it ended up being £200, though an extra little snippet is that this has been rumbling on since last summer, it seems.
The driver is not disputing that he was driving, but is unwilling to pay because no one had (chinny reckon) told him that vans had a lower speed limit, and therefore the employer should pay the fine.
But I am very unclear how it ended up being £200, though an extra little snippet is that this has been rumbling on since last summer, it seems.
Johnnytheboy said:
The odd thing here (and I am relating this via chinese whispers) is that a minor speeding offence has turned in to a 200 quid fine.
The driver is not disputing that he was driving, but is unwilling to pay because no one had (chinny reckon) told him that vans had a lower speed limit, and therefore the employer should pay the fine.
But I am very unclear how it ended up being £200, though an extra little snippet is that this has been rumbling on since last summer, it seems.
That's not the company's fault isn't it in the highway code? I'd so driver should know thisThe driver is not disputing that he was driving, but is unwilling to pay because no one had (chinny reckon) told him that vans had a lower speed limit, and therefore the employer should pay the fine.
But I am very unclear how it ended up being £200, though an extra little snippet is that this has been rumbling on since last summer, it seems.
Johnnytheboy said:
The odd thing here (and I am relating this via chinese whispers) is that a minor speeding offence has turned in to a 200 quid fine.
The driver is not disputing that he was driving, but is unwilling to pay because no one had (chinny reckon) told him that vans had a lower speed limit, and therefore the employer should pay the fine.
But I am very unclear how it ended up being £200, though an extra little snippet is that this has been rumbling on since last summer, it seems.
More info needed.The driver is not disputing that he was driving, but is unwilling to pay because no one had (chinny reckon) told him that vans had a lower speed limit, and therefore the employer should pay the fine.
But I am very unclear how it ended up being £200, though an extra little snippet is that this has been rumbling on since last summer, it seems.
I have often wondered about this. Say me or my wife goes through a speed camera and we are alone in the car and going to a fancy dress ball so she is wearing a cheebacca costume. At the same time I am also going to a party in another car dressed as cheebacca.
Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
Gecko1978 said:
I have often wondered about this. Say me or my wife goes through a speed camera and we are alone in the car and going to a fancy dress ball so she is wearing a cheebacca costume. At the same time I am also going to a party in another car dressed as cheebacca.
Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
Meanwhile in the real world. The courts would need to decide.Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
JPJPJP said:
The driver is responsible for knowing the speed limit applicable to the vehicle she is driving. Nothing at all to with anyone else
Their could be a reasonable defence, though. Not sure what it was, but I was always told that not only must I give my drivers the company driving handbook but I must verbally tell them what the speed limits were for the van they had been allocated. (and get them to sign that I had told them)Drumroll said:
Gecko1978 said:
I have often wondered about this. Say me or my wife goes through a speed camera and we are alone in the car and going to a fancy dress ball so she is wearing a cheebacca costume. At the same time I am also going to a party in another car dressed as cheebacca.
Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
Meanwhile in the real world. The courts would need to decide.Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
An as above wookie costume while driving is a thing
Surely the driver gets the punishment for the offence and the registered keeper gets the punishment for not passing the details on?
Presumably they’re treated as separate offences and they don’t cancel each other out.
However, on the basis that this whole thing could have been avoided if the driver just didn’t speed, the company will probably have grounds to give him a b
king regardless.
Presumably they’re treated as separate offences and they don’t cancel each other out.
However, on the basis that this whole thing could have been avoided if the driver just didn’t speed, the company will probably have grounds to give him a b
king regardless.Gecko1978 said:
I have often wondered about this. Say me or my wife goes through a speed camera and we are alone in the car and going to a fancy dress ball so she is wearing a cheebacca costume. At the same time I am also going to a party in another car dressed as cheebacca.
Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
Its Chewbacca, have you even seen Star Wars. Anyway dressing up as a Wookie won't save you from the police.Now we dress as cheebacca often as we are members of the cheebacca appreciation society. Sadly the ticket comes in an neither of us know who was driving that day we ask for the photo and ifs just a wookie.
So let's say the above is true in court we can not say who was driving truthfully. Does the court have to prove who was driving or does the registered keep get the points even though they may not have been in the car.
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roadsmash said:
Surely the driver gets the punishment for the offence and the registered keeper gets the punishment for not passing the details on?
Well yeeeesss, but it's never really occurred to me as to how this plays out if the registered keeper is an entity rather than an individual.Johnnytheboy said:
roadsmash said:
Surely the driver gets the punishment for the offence and the registered keeper gets the punishment for not passing the details on?
Well yeeeesss, but it's never really occurred to me as to how this plays out if the registered keeper is an entity rather than an individual.Larger companies may well have a transport department but it is often individual hiring managers who have responsibility for the vehicles their staff use.
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