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https://insideevs.com/news/436912/driver-suspended...
It's a poorly translated article but the gist of it is that the driver of Tesla crashed his car while changing the settings of his wipers via a touchscreen.
The argument being that it's not just a single movement/adjustment like a normal car but involves touch screens with multiple menus and sub menus and adjustable settings .
Thoughts ?
It's a poorly translated article but the gist of it is that the driver of Tesla crashed his car while changing the settings of his wipers via a touchscreen.
The argument being that it's not just a single movement/adjustment like a normal car but involves touch screens with multiple menus and sub menus and adjustable settings .
Thoughts ?
Or he could just have used the voice command. Or auto mode.
"On Tesla's defense, that could probably be overcome if the Model 3 had the automatic mode for the wipers on or if the driver used the voice command to adjust the speed – you can even active farts sound with it. Why he decided to change it on the touchscreen manually is something only this German driver could answer. If you happen to know him, please put him in touch with us. We would love to hear his version of the story."
"On Tesla's defense, that could probably be overcome if the Model 3 had the automatic mode for the wipers on or if the driver used the voice command to adjust the speed – you can even active farts sound with it. Why he decided to change it on the touchscreen manually is something only this German driver could answer. If you happen to know him, please put him in touch with us. We would love to hear his version of the story."
There's a strong argument for saying that car controls that may need to be used while in motion shouldn't be buried in a touch screen menu.
However given that's where it is on a Tesla, to penalise a driver for using the touch screen while the car is in motion is daft. If that's where the control is, that's where the driver needs to access it.
If legislatures want stop drivers using built in touch screens, they need to mandate that manufacturers provide a physical way of operating the driving controls without recourse to the touch screen.
However given that's where it is on a Tesla, to penalise a driver for using the touch screen while the car is in motion is daft. If that's where the control is, that's where the driver needs to access it.
If legislatures want stop drivers using built in touch screens, they need to mandate that manufacturers provide a physical way of operating the driving controls without recourse to the touch screen.
vaud said:
They provide a voice control and an auto mode. If either were unreliable then I’d agree.
I've never driven a Tesla so it may be that their voice/ auto systems are good and reliable.My experience of auto wipers on an Astra was that they were way too slow and inconsistent to respond, and the voice control on my car recognises my instruction correctly I'd say maybe 75% of the time. Fine (If frustrating) for controlling the stereo etc, less fine for more safety critical things.
And maybe I sound like a luddite for saying it, but what exactly is wrong with a wiper stalk for controlling the wipers? Why do we need to put these things onto a central touch screen?
vaud said:
essayer said:
The Model 3 doesn’t have wiper speed control on the stalk does it? It’s only programmable via the screen?
Dangerous idea, IMO.
They provide a voice control and an auto mode. If either were unreliable then I’d agree.Dangerous idea, IMO.
It started to go wrong years ago when they invented wipers that automatically wipe when you use the washers ( which invariably means they don't sweep the number of times you need them to, or worse, sweep when there's nothing left in the washer bottle, making things worse ), and when they invented the " intelligent " wiper with a sensor to decide when and how often to allow the wipers to sweep on intermittent. Because, obviously, it was so difficult to rotate the control the old fashioned way to get it to do exactly what you wanted, when you wanted! I'd like to meet the inventor of both these ideas and punch him in the throat.
The Tesla nonsense sounds like another step down the road of those particular stupidities. f
king hate all this st that's supposed to make the car feel well equipped, it just turns people into a bunch of tech obsessed lazy bds.
The Tesla nonsense sounds like another step down the road of those particular stupidities. f
king hate all this st that's supposed to make the car feel well equipped, it just turns people into a bunch of tech obsessed lazy bds.Heaveho said:
It started to go wrong years ago when they invented wipers that automatically wipe when you use the washers ( which invariably means they don't sweep the number of times you need them to, or worse, sweep when there's nothing left in the washer bottle, making things worse ), and when they invented the " intelligent " wiper with a sensor to decide when and how often to allow the wipers to sweep on intermittent. Because, obviously, it was so difficult to rotate the control the old fashioned way to get it to do exactly what yo wanted, when you wanted! I'd like to meet the inventor of both these ideas and punch him in the throat.
The Tesla nonsense sounds like another step down the road of those particular stupidities. fking hate all this st that's supposed to make the car feel well equipped, it just turns people into a bunch of tech obsessed lazy bds.
I'll kick him in the nuts while you throat-punch him!The Tesla nonsense sounds like another step down the road of those particular stupidities. f
king hate all this st that's supposed to make the car feel well equipped, it just turns people into a bunch of tech obsessed lazy bds.Also, if we could find the d
head that decided to fit a sensor to the dash lights so they brighten and dim whenever the fk they like, we can swap around.Centurion07 said:
Heaveho said:
It started to go wrong years ago when they invented wipers that automatically wipe when you use the washers ( which invariably means they don't sweep the number of times you need them to, or worse, sweep when there's nothing left in the washer bottle, making things worse ), and when they invented the " intelligent " wiper with a sensor to decide when and how often to allow the wipers to sweep on intermittent. Because, obviously, it was so difficult to rotate the control the old fashioned way to get it to do exactly what yo wanted, when you wanted! I'd like to meet the inventor of both these ideas and punch him in the throat.
The Tesla nonsense sounds like another step down the road of those particular stupidities. fking hate all this st that's supposed to make the car feel well equipped, it just turns people into a bunch of tech obsessed lazy bds.
I'll kick him in the nuts while you throat-punch him!The Tesla nonsense sounds like another step down the road of those particular stupidities. f
king hate all this st that's supposed to make the car feel well equipped, it just turns people into a bunch of tech obsessed lazy bds.Also, if we could find the d
head that decided to fit a sensor to the dash lights so they brighten and dim whenever the fk they like, we can swap around.I'm in for kicking whoever decided to put heater controls in a touch screen that is hard to see when moving and impossible to see if the sun is in the wrong place.
At the same time can we also find whoever decided to put touch screen sign ins at the doctors surgery! They should be made to lick the screen twice a day, although I will say covid seems to have rather forced a reconsider of the use in this case.
At the same time can we also find whoever decided to put touch screen sign ins at the doctors surgery! They should be made to lick the screen twice a day, although I will say covid seems to have rather forced a reconsider of the use in this case.
Tesla wipers - along with most other things on the car - work seamlessly & reliably on Auto. If any changes are desired, this is easily done via voice control. It even understands my 'gormless Geordie' trial without a problem, unlike Mercs which studiously ignore me.
Not excuse for pratting about unnecessarily with a touchscreen.
Not excuse for pratting about unnecessarily with a touchscreen.
My understanding is the driver was treated the same as if he had been using a mobile phone for texting or similar .
All these modern devices are fine on cars if you are a regular user of the vehicle and know how the systems operating processes can be used .
Not something that I am ever likely to own or want .
Some of us had enough trouble with wiper and indicator stalks being swapped from side to side depending on which part of the world the vehicle originated from.
I have yet to find any automatic system for lights,wipers or heating that works in a way that I find natural or acceptable.
All these modern devices are fine on cars if you are a regular user of the vehicle and know how the systems operating processes can be used .
Not something that I am ever likely to own or want .
Some of us had enough trouble with wiper and indicator stalks being swapped from side to side depending on which part of the world the vehicle originated from.
I have yet to find any automatic system for lights,wipers or heating that works in a way that I find natural or acceptable.
daqinggregg said:
It’s illegal to use a mobile/smart phone whilst driving a motor vehicle, which I totally agree with. But using a centrally connected, smart device is ok, how does that make sense.
It's not ok. You could be prosecuted for "not being in proper control [of a motor vehicle]" if an officer deems your interactions with the screen (or indeed anything else) are impairing your driving.While touchscreens do look cool, they are probably one of the worst additions to a car in modern times when it comes to safety.
I've not driven a single car with a touchscreen (and I've driven many) where I have thought "this is so much better than an actual button".
Does anyone know what happens if the screen stops working in a Tesla Model 3 btw? No tech (especially their tech) is 100% reliable, so does it become a paperweight? Can you even start and drive it without a functioning screen?
I've not driven a single car with a touchscreen (and I've driven many) where I have thought "this is so much better than an actual button".
Does anyone know what happens if the screen stops working in a Tesla Model 3 btw? No tech (especially their tech) is 100% reliable, so does it become a paperweight? Can you even start and drive it without a functioning screen?
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