Totting Up Ban - how long for DVLA to process it?
Totting Up Ban - how long for DVLA to process it?
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CourtAgain

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3,777 posts

93 months

Tuesday 4th August 2020
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Went back to Court after case for 24 in 20 kept getting adjourned due to COVID-19... sadly, it's 6 months off the road. It could affect work as I drive a van, but might find out if I can do the same role on foot... anyways, how long for the Court to send it to DVLA, they told me I had to pay within 14 days, the case was last Saturday 1 August.

Rang DVLA, seems to be constant busy tone, the line's been engaged more times than Katie Price. Does it take long for them to update details, and what's the process for getting the licence back after 26 weeks of Shanks Pony (walking)? confused

silverfoxcc

8,405 posts

174 months

Tuesday 4th August 2020
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No SA course option?

Where were you done for that?

SS2.

14,712 posts

267 months

Tuesday 4th August 2020
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Why do you need to speak with DVLA ?

StevenB

783 posts

226 months

Tuesday 4th August 2020
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LosingGrip

8,851 posts

188 months

Tuesday 4th August 2020
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You're banned from when the courts say you are. Not when the DVLA have caught up.

Davie_GLA

6,878 posts

228 months

Tuesday 4th August 2020
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24 in a 20, i read that right and it's not a typo?

Actually just read totting up. What else have you contributed to that this has pushed them over the edge?

But anyway, as above you can check your license online and you'll be banned from whenever the court says you will be banned.

martinbiz

3,698 posts

174 months

Tuesday 4th August 2020
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It has nothing to do with the DVLA catching up, if you were banned by the court for totting up, it will have taken effect immediately

CourtAgain

Original Poster:

3,777 posts

93 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Davie_GLA said:
24 in a 20, i read that right and it's not a typo?

Actually just read totting up. What else have you contributed to that this has pushed them over the edge?

But anyway, as above you can check your license online and you'll be banned from whenever the court says you will be banned.
Yes, you read that correctly... 20 Zones are all over London now, and the signage was too small to see... it's Hackney Council's biggest earner, it seems. Cameras are set at exactly 20, no tolerance. The latest offence happened almost a year ago, but due to COVID-19, it was adjourned for such a long time, plus the usual processes of sending off the NIP after the leasing company who look after the van had done the admin, thrn SJPN processed and summons eventually sent out.

I haven't been driving ever since leaving court, I went there by bus. The days of "hardship" are over, I think they don't want people with crazy numbers of points on their licences on the roads anymore, and have to be seen as tougher on drivers. First ever ban, but do all points get taken off? I know there's a massive backlog due to COVID-19, as DVLA lines constantly busy. I have to pay the court within 2 weeks, but no paperwork received yet.

Happy enough to be on the bus or on foot for work, or look for a new role which means walking about for the next 180 days or so.

It was just Totting Up, but I know if you are caught driving whilst banned, it's straight to the nick, and sent to court, then prison, and ban for a year... not something I would ever consider. It's just that the records haven't been updated yet, so was curious. confused


Edited by CourtAgain on Wednesday 5th August 07:36

CourtAgain

Original Poster:

3,777 posts

93 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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silverfoxcc said:
No SA course option?

Where were you done for that?
Last SA course was two years ago, I don't think they allow a second one in a 3 year period.

SS2.

14,712 posts

267 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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CourtAgain said:
It was just Totting Up, but I know if you are caught driving whilst banned, it's straight to the nick, and sent to court, then prison, and ban for a year... not something I would ever consider. It's just that the records haven't been updated yet, so was curious. confused
The ban starts when ordered by the court, not when the DVLA records are updated..

nipsips

1,167 posts

164 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Another example of London’s war on the motorist - OP you have my sympathy. These 20mph limits are ridiculous and cover pretty much the entirety of central London now. I remember during the lockdown having to crawl along the embankment at 20mph for absolutely no reason because no one was around but the speed cameras are still live.

For future reference, and whilst I don’t speed as a general rule, but my Tom Tom with speed alerts has been brilliant for telling you where the cameras are so you can make 100% sure you’re bang on.

TBH I’m getting sick to death of driving in London, it’s not even the traffic, it’s the blatant hatred from all of the boroughs that you’d even want to use a car in central London - however if they can find me a pushbike that’s able to carry 2 sets of steps, a whole host of electrical test gear and various commonly used components id be happy to commute using a bike... until then I’ll have to keep paying stupid fines where they decide to close certain roads at certain times (Westminster by the Houses of Parliament) and other no right turns for no reason etc, or watch my speedo like a hawk because safety. Our engineers aren’t allowed in the Rotherhithe tunnel either due to height.

Absolutely ridiculous.

RizzoTheRat

28,890 posts

221 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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And I thought Bristol used to be bad! Is London bringing in 20 limits all over the place or just on residential roads?

nipsips said:
however if they can find me a pushbike that’s able to carry 2 sets of steps, a whole host of electrical test gear and various commonly used components id be happy to commute using a bike...
https://www.pedaleur.nl/bakfietsen/19787-urban-arr...biggrin

agtlaw

7,402 posts

235 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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CourtAgain said:
Last SA course was two years ago, I don't think they allow a second one in a 3 year period.
There are mutiple courses available. As a general rule, you can't do the same course within a three year period (where offence dates are the relevant dates). It's not usually an issue to do a NSAC then NSAC20 then NMAC within a short timeframe.

CourtAgain

Original Poster:

3,777 posts

93 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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agtlaw said:
CourtAgain said:
Last SA course was two years ago, I don't think they allow a second one in a 3 year period.
There are mutiple courses available. As a general rule, you can't do the same course within a three year period (where offence dates are the relevant dates). It's not usually an issue to do a NSAC then NSAC20 then NMAC within a short timeframe.
I thought as much. They were not interested in Hardship either. I guess everyone argues that in court. But I figure many won't be driving much longer, with the proliferation of cameras and 20 zones. Plus the Lockdown is coming back at some point in London, I think by October. Another 4 months not doing much.

I am about to have a meeting with my employers about loss of licence and where things go from here. The bills never stop, so might need a Plan B such as walking on foot or public transport to see clients.

LimSlip

800 posts

83 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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RizzoTheRat said:
And I thought Bristol used to be bad! Is London bringing in 20 limits all over the place or just on residential roads?

nipsips said:
however if they can find me a pushbike that’s able to carry 2 sets of steps, a whole host of electrical test gear and various commonly used components id be happy to commute using a bike...
https://www.pedaleur.nl/bakfietsen/19787-urban-arr...biggrin
5000 Euros? yikesyikesyikes

Sheepshanks

40,990 posts

148 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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CourtAgain said:
Yes, you read that correctly... 20 Zones are all over London now, and the signage was too small to see... it's Hackney Council's biggest earner, it seems. Cameras are set at exactly 20, no tolerance.
They won't take action until 24MPH - which sadly is the speed you were doing.

The council doesn't get the money (unless it's done differently in London).

CourtAgain

Original Poster:

3,777 posts

93 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Sheepshanks said:
CourtAgain said:
Yes, you read that correctly... 20 Zones are all over London now, and the signage was too small to see... it's Hackney Council's biggest earner, it seems. Cameras are set at exactly 20, no tolerance.
They won't take action until 24MPH - which sadly is the speed you were doing.

The council doesn't get the money (unless it's done differently in London).
I think the Council gets a cut, though most goes to Transport for London and police. Work were not happy at all. frown

SS2.

14,712 posts

267 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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CourtAgain said:
I think the Council gets a cut, though most goes to Transport for London and police.
From driver improvement courses perhaps, but not from fixed penalty notices or court fines.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,040 posts

179 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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nipsips said:
TBH I’m getting sick to death of driving in London,
That's the whole point of the exercise.

Sheepshanks

40,990 posts

148 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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CourtAgain said:
Work were not happy at all. frown
Have they previously given / offered any driver training?