Paypal Question
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lost in espace said:
I have just been paid for a roofbox I have sold via paypal, can I accept this or can the buyer do a chargeback still?
How did you sell it? It wasn't sold 'via' PayPal, it was paid for 'by' PayPal.Was it Ebay, t
tface, Gumtree, local ad, friend of a friend, etc,?It makes a difference as to whether a charge back is allowed, and in the case of Ebay (maybe others), whether the selling 'platform' allows or instigates a payback.
I always get scared with Paypal outside of something like Ebay.
But as someone above said, the majority of people are honest - we only ever hear about those that aren't.
I remember my dad contacting me - they had been looking to sell their old caravan and he'd accepted Paypal for just over £3k.
I'm spitting feathers, worried that he's about to be ripped off etc.
All fine, people took the caravan, dad was happy with the money and withdrew it, never heard anything about it again.
But as someone above said, the majority of people are honest - we only ever hear about those that aren't.
I remember my dad contacting me - they had been looking to sell their old caravan and he'd accepted Paypal for just over £3k.
I'm spitting feathers, worried that he's about to be ripped off etc.
All fine, people took the caravan, dad was happy with the money and withdrew it, never heard anything about it again.
Glad that went well. 
Who can’t get £50 out of a cash point?
The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
Durzel said:
Who can’t get £50 out of a cash point?
The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
This isn’t true for eBay any more. Collection items present the seller with a QR code that the buyer scans upon receipt of the item, this then marks it as collected on eBay. That constitutes proof of collection as only the seller has the QR code and only the buyer’s eBay app will accept that particular code to scan for collection. The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
paradigital said:
Durzel said:
Who can’t get £50 out of a cash point?
The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
This isn’t true for eBay any more. Collection items present the seller with a QR code that the buyer scans upon receipt of the item, this then marks it as collected on eBay. That constitutes proof of collection as only the seller has the QR code and only the buyer’s eBay app will accept that particular code to scan for collection. The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
Durzel said:
Ah right, well that’s progress at least. I guess that does still rely on the seller getting the buyer to scan the QR code though.
It does, but you’d be daft (as the buyer) to not insist, for the reasons you describe above. If you aren’t insisting on the scan then you’ll be open to the same “not delivered” scam!Durzel said:
paradigital said:
Durzel said:
Who can’t get £50 out of a cash point?
The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
This isn’t true for eBay any more. Collection items present the seller with a QR code that the buyer scans upon receipt of the item, this then marks it as collected on eBay. That constitutes proof of collection as only the seller has the QR code and only the buyer’s eBay app will accept that particular code to scan for collection. The reason people (scammers) pay for stuff in person with PayPal is that they’ll just claim they never received it, and you’ll have no proof that they have the item, and eBay will ask for tracking information that you won’t have, so ultimately PayPal will more than likely side with the “victim”.
Never accept PayPal for “offline” transactions, unless it’s a “friends and family” payment which is not tied to any item (although this could probably also get clawed back if paid with a fraudulent source)
I sold a Sony Ericsson P800 (shows how long ago it was 
) on eBay and they paid via PayPal. It was dodgy as, but before all the known scams were knowledge to me.
Money received, phone sent to a foreign land, money withdrawn from account. 2 weeks later, my balance is negative the cost of the phone and they start chasing me. I told my folks, dad sent a ‘strongly worded letter’ saying I was under their age restrictions and it is their fault.
To this day I can’t use that email address for PayPal. I figured he slyly paid it on my stupid behalf, but he can’t of, as they say I owe them still...
) on eBay and they paid via PayPal. It was dodgy as, but before all the known scams were knowledge to me. Money received, phone sent to a foreign land, money withdrawn from account. 2 weeks later, my balance is negative the cost of the phone and they start chasing me. I told my folks, dad sent a ‘strongly worded letter’ saying I was under their age restrictions and it is their fault.
To this day I can’t use that email address for PayPal. I figured he slyly paid it on my stupid behalf, but he can’t of, as they say I owe them still...
Durzel said:
I’m confused, and probably dumb. How does scanning a QR code, by the seller or buyer, guarantee that a tangible item has changed hands?
Well, in the case of the 4k LCD monitor I recently sold, the guy who came to collect watched me demo it with my laptop, was happy with the description meeting expectations, paid with Paypal and then scanned code into app. This meant that as fas as ebay were concerned he had seen me, face to face and had taken the goods away.Job jobbed.
Edited by paradigital on Saturday 8th August 20:19
Oceanrower said:
Do you not think that one person having a code and the other scanning it proves, if nothing else, that at least they've met...
Yeah, I see what you mean. I suppose the only vulnerability is the buyer “forgetting” to give the QR code to the seller, or not telling them that this is part of the process (I have no idea how obvious it is), and just paying for the item with PayPal, taking the item away, and they filing an “item not received” dispute. Or does the payment not go through until the QR/numeric code has been scanned/entered?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff