Do scam vans have aircon ?
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tarquin274

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113 posts

77 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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Have passed a few of these recently in the current 34C temps.... Was wondering if these Knights of Revenue Collection Road Safety actually have aircon and if so are they allowed to run it. Especially as running the diesel engine all day might cause more damage to nearby children / polar bears than the speeding drivers will as well as upsetting Greta...?

normalbloke

8,862 posts

248 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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tarquin274 said:
Have passed a few of these recently in the current 34C temps.... Was wondering if these Knights of Revenue Collection Road Safety actually have aircon and if so are they allowed to run it. Especially as running the diesel engine all day might cause more damage to nearby children / polar bears than the speeding drivers will as well as upsetting Greta...?
Are you bored?

tr7v8

7,620 posts

257 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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They do have a/c AFAIK I suspect they run a generator to power the a/c & all the camera etc. No way would the engine be happy ticking away for hours.

NGee

2,935 posts

193 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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tr7v8 said:
They do have a/c AFAIK I suspect they run a generator to power the a/c & all the camera etc. No way would the engine be happy ticking away for hours.
I wonder what they use to run the generator.

tr7v8

7,620 posts

257 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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NGee said:
tr7v8 said:
They do have a/c AFAIK I suspect they run a generator to power the a/c & all the camera etc. No way would the engine be happy ticking away for hours.
I wonder what they use to run the generator.
I am loosely involved in the technology so I suspect petrol. I suspect the whole lot is around 5kW as a load & Generators at that level are generally petrol. Could be diesel, which if the van is diesel would be simpler. You can get small diesel gennies but they are heavy & expansive.

WJNB

2,637 posts

190 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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Am I (or anybody) bovered?

NGee

2,935 posts

193 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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WJNB said:
Am I (or anybody) bovered?
I have no idea, are you? wink I'm certainly not!

It just seemed strange to me that some body said the engine wouldn't like ticking over for hours so wanted to use a generator, which uses............an engine ticking over for hours!!!

littleredrooster

6,369 posts

225 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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None of the emergency services vehicles have gennies, so I can't imagine these are any different. All the others just have a two-battery split charge arrangement to run the lights, sirens comms. etc. Engines running for hours on end is the norm.

V8 Stang

4,507 posts

212 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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The Met’s “critical Incident responce” unit/trailer is powered by a serious amount of batteries and inverter’s to power all the onboard computers/equipment.

Supposedly more reliable than a generator, as rarely used. I believe the last time it was used was the london bridge terror attack.

Could be smaller scale - on batteries, however guess they just leave the engines running, as they are not normally in one location for that long at a time.


ddom

6,657 posts

77 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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I hope not. If so, sincerely hope that they routinely fail smile

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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ddom said:
I hope not. If so, sincerely hope that they routinely fail smile
Amen to that , lol.

TonyTony

1,882 posts

187 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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I'd say no going off this video. laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9CepfxzRjc

Heaveho

7,451 posts

203 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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ddom said:
I hope not. If so, sincerely hope that they routinely fail smile
That would have been my answer, word for word! laugh

tr7v8

7,620 posts

257 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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NGee said:
WJNB said:
Am I (or anybody) bovered?
I have no idea, are you? wink I'm certainly not!

It just seemed strange to me that some body said the engine wouldn't like ticking over for hours so wanted to use a generator, which uses............an engine ticking over for hours!!!
Nope, 5kVA gen set would be 8-10HP running a 240VAC alternator so direct use, probably sat at 3600RPM or so. Against a 100BHP main engine (168kVA) running at idle driving a 12V alternator, charging some batteries, running an inverter to convert 12VDC to 240VAC. If the main engine is diesel then that guarantees glazed bores & loads of carbon.

un1corn

2,143 posts

166 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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NGee said:
I wonder what they use to run the generator.
The use the tears of people who bh about speed camera vans. There's more than enough salt to power a small city.

caziques

2,842 posts

197 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Is it illegal in the UK to have the engine running and no one in the drivers seat?

Speed camera vans in NZ do indeed have the engine running in hot weather to power the aircon, with no one in the drivers seat.

gazza285

11,137 posts

237 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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tr7v8 said:
No way would the engine be happy ticking away for hours.
Why do you say that?

Zirconia

36,010 posts

313 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Depends on the draw for the cooling and what method is used?
We had vans that ran off an inverter (Victron), the system had a battery management that topped off the large batteries in the event of mains failure, the batteries could hold load of around 5 amps give or take for a few hours. Run the engine with an uprated alternator and providing you balanced the load with the input from the charging then you could run for as long as there was diesel in the tank. Though these had large air cons and if the mains went the aircon was dropped out due to the size but the kit generated a lot of heat, how much would you need for a small power use?

Small geny incorporated to the system is useful, some of the larger geny systems could also cope with the aircon.

Suppose it boils down to how much cooling required from the extra heat generated and what method (open the window or aircon).

dhutch

17,757 posts

226 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Would be very supprised if they have a separate genny.

And equally supprised if the load for running the camera is anything like 5kw.

Does anyone actually know and work with these vans?


Daniel

XCP

17,698 posts

257 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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One hopes so. Be very hot work otherwise.