London Bus Lane Changes to 24/7 fines - 13th September 2020
Discussion
Be careful out there peeps, they are short of cash, some of these changes are going to go down badly. That Bromley Common one is surely going to be challenged, surely.
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Edited by Carl_Manchester on Wednesday 9th September 16:52
IN my experience, 99% of people won't drive in the bus lane anyway, even when they are allowed to. It's a shame for me they are going 24/7, because it stops me driving in an empty lane outside the operational hours, whilst idiots who can't read look at me and shake their heads in disapproval.
Theres nothing that makes Bromley Common a special case, its a crap decision but plenty of other roads on that list that will have a far greater impact that Bromley Common and that was my commute to work for a number of years, outside of rush hour its not that busy anyhow heading north.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
IN my experience, 99% of people won't drive in the bus lane anyway, even when they are allowed to. It's a shame for me they are going 24/7, because it stops me driving in an empty lane outside the operational hours, whilst idiots who can't read look at me and shake their heads in disapproval.
When I'm driving in a city/town for the first time or a place I am not familiar with, I find it challenging to keep up with erratic behaviour of some drivers, the traffic system, cyclists, speed limits and pedestrians who don't look where they are going. Plus the filter lane signs on the road inevitably covered by buses.So I don't find within 2 seconds, I can read all the restrictions and time windows of all the signs for the bus lane. I will avoid them rather than risk getting a fine then being told "well you should have read the signs".
leef44 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
IN my experience, 99% of people won't drive in the bus lane anyway, even when they are allowed to. It's a shame for me they are going 24/7, because it stops me driving in an empty lane outside the operational hours, whilst idiots who can't read look at me and shake their heads in disapproval.
When I'm driving in a city/town for the first time or a place I am not familiar with, I find it challenging to keep up with erratic behaviour of some drivers, the traffic system, cyclists, speed limits and pedestrians who don't look where they are going. Plus the filter lane signs on the road inevitably covered by buses.So I don't find within 2 seconds, I can read all the restrictions and time windows of all the signs for the bus lane. I will avoid them rather than risk getting a fine then being told "well you should have read the signs".
I would not enter a bus lane there even if a copper was directing me to do so.
Never.
Far Cough said:
Hi doesn't even drive so couldn't give a t0ss
Does his publicly-funded Range Rover have to stay out of the bus lane too, or is it exempt from these restrictions?Thinking of find out his regular route and arranging a 1mph cycle ride!
...and I don't even live in London (but work there until Covid).
It’s just a load of utter trash. But no one gives a f
k. I despair.
The hate for the motor car has become so strong in London with Covid road closures, bus lane bullst here there and what not, blanket 20 limits. It’s a sorry state.
I would take part in any kind of protest that would effectively shut down all the buses and roads. As this congestion and traffic and pollution being created is just pathetic and it’s all deliberate.
But as usual, the motorist will sit back do nothing and continue to get fked over.
Someone needs to sue tfl and most London boroughs
k. I despair. The hate for the motor car has become so strong in London with Covid road closures, bus lane bulls
t here there and what not, blanket 20 limits. It’s a sorry state. I would take part in any kind of protest that would effectively shut down all the buses and roads. As this congestion and traffic and pollution being created is just pathetic and it’s all deliberate.
But as usual, the motorist will sit back do nothing and continue to get f
ked over.Someone needs to sue tfl and most London boroughs
giggity said:
It’s just a load of utter trash. But no one gives a fk. I despair.
The hate for the motor car has become so strong in London with Covid road closures, bus lane bullst here there and what not, blanket 20 limits. It’s a sorry state.
I would take part in any kind of protest that would effectively shut down all the buses and roads. As this congestion and traffic and pollution being created is just pathetic and it’s all deliberate.
But as usual, the motorist will sit back do nothing and continue to get fked over.
Someone needs to sue tfl and most London boroughs
In the interests of balance, the manifesto he ran on made no secret of the continuing demonisation of cars in London, and he won. Millions of people in London, especially inner London, don't need or own cars, and they don't want to be suffering an early death from other people's. k. I despair. The hate for the motor car has become so strong in London with Covid road closures, bus lane bulls
t here there and what not, blanket 20 limits. It’s a sorry state. I would take part in any kind of protest that would effectively shut down all the buses and roads. As this congestion and traffic and pollution being created is just pathetic and it’s all deliberate.
But as usual, the motorist will sit back do nothing and continue to get f
ked over.Someone needs to sue tfl and most London boroughs
I know how keen PH is on democracy, when it comes to Brexit etc, so they should be celebrating that the will of the people is being upheld.
And most living in Holland Park, Notting Hill, Kensington and certainly plenty in zones 2 and 3 outwards excluding the Shoreditch area of central will own cars.
Just hope there is a pro motorist candidate who can get a vote instead.
If no one owns any cars why are there so many jan packed residents and yet so so so much traffic and no I’m not talking about city of London when I talk london I’m talking Hammersmith, Lambeth, Wandsworth etc where many people live and there are streets filled with cars even in CPZ zones.
Londoners not owning cars is some sort of bullst claim by maybe some folk who live in old street or overlooking Victoria park.
And if no one owns cars, wtf is the need for all of this st, as far as I know (as a car owner) the traffic levels are going way beyond pre covid levels and now it’s about squeezing the motorist for even more cash.
And no, this does nothing for pollution, road are rammed, cars at idle driving slower it just means more congestion and therefore more pollution.
It’s a fking fraud. You’ll see. It really isn’t that hard to figure out.
Just hope there is a pro motorist candidate who can get a vote instead.
If no one owns any cars why are there so many jan packed residents and yet so so so much traffic and no I’m not talking about city of London when I talk london I’m talking Hammersmith, Lambeth, Wandsworth etc where many people live and there are streets filled with cars even in CPZ zones.
Londoners not owning cars is some sort of bulls
t claim by maybe some folk who live in old street or overlooking Victoria park. And if no one owns cars, wtf is the need for all of this s
t, as far as I know (as a car owner) the traffic levels are going way beyond pre covid levels and now it’s about squeezing the motorist for even more cash.And no, this does nothing for pollution, road are rammed, cars at idle driving slower it just means more congestion and therefore more pollution.
It’s a f
king fraud. You’ll see. It really isn’t that hard to figure out.I don't see why TFL is allowed to manage the roads in London, you don't get the public transport companies in other places running the roads as well.
The bus service now school has resumed is a joke, every single bus I've seen go by in peak times has had a bus full sticker on the front window.
The bus service now school has resumed is a joke, every single bus I've seen go by in peak times has had a bus full sticker on the front window.
I'm convinced bus lanes are merely a revenue-generating exercise. Why else would the situation exist where you can happily, legally, be riding a (motor)bike in a bus lane, then the bus lane is suspended for, say, a junction and on the other side, whoah, no chance, no motorbikes in this one sonny. Travel another half a mile and bingo, you're back in the bus lane. Well, for a little while, until they change it again.
Can only possibly be designed to catch you out. But let's face it, it's not as if you have anything much else to concentrate on when riding a bike in London.
Can only possibly be designed to catch you out. But let's face it, it's not as if you have anything much else to concentrate on when riding a bike in London.
giggity said:
And most living in Holland Park, Notting Hill, Kensington and certainly plenty in zones 2 and 3 outwards excluding the Shoreditch area of central will own cars.
Just hope there is a pro motorist candidate who can get a vote instead.
If no one owns any cars why are there so many jan packed residents and yet so so so much traffic and no I’m not talking about city of London when I talk london I’m talking Hammersmith, Lambeth, Wandsworth etc where many people live and there are streets filled with cars even in CPZ zones.
Londoners not owning cars is some sort of bullst claim by maybe some folk who live in old street or overlooking Victoria park.
And if no one owns cars, wtf is the need for all of this st, as far as I know (as a car owner) the traffic levels are going way beyond pre covid levels and now it’s about squeezing the motorist for even more cash.
And no, this does nothing for pollution, road are rammed, cars at idle driving slower it just means more congestion and therefore more pollution.
It’s a fking fraud. You’ll see. It really isn’t that hard to figure out.
Who said no one owns cars???Just hope there is a pro motorist candidate who can get a vote instead.
If no one owns any cars why are there so many jan packed residents and yet so so so much traffic and no I’m not talking about city of London when I talk london I’m talking Hammersmith, Lambeth, Wandsworth etc where many people live and there are streets filled with cars even in CPZ zones.
Londoners not owning cars is some sort of bulls
t claim by maybe some folk who live in old street or overlooking Victoria park. And if no one owns cars, wtf is the need for all of this s
t, as far as I know (as a car owner) the traffic levels are going way beyond pre covid levels and now it’s about squeezing the motorist for even more cash.And no, this does nothing for pollution, road are rammed, cars at idle driving slower it just means more congestion and therefore more pollution.
It’s a f
king fraud. You’ll see. It really isn’t that hard to figure out.giggity said:
And most living in Holland Park, Notting Hill, Kensington and certainly plenty in zones 2 and 3 outwards excluding the Shoreditch area of central will own cars.
Just hope there is a pro motorist candidate who can get a vote instead.
If no one owns any cars why are there so many jan packed residents and yet so so so much traffic and no I’m not talking about city of London when I talk london I’m talking Hammersmith, Lambeth, Wandsworth etc where many people live and there are streets filled with cars even in CPZ zones.
Londoners not owning cars is some sort of bullst claim by maybe some folk who live in old street or overlooking Victoria park.
And if no one owns cars, wtf is the need for all of this st, as far as I know (as a car owner) the traffic levels are going way beyond pre covid levels and now it’s about squeezing the motorist for even more cash.
And no, this does nothing for pollution, road are rammed, cars at idle driving slower it just means more congestion and therefore more pollution.
It’s a fking fraud. You’ll see. It really isn’t that hard to figure out.
Until this year I felt that the Congestion Charge was mostly about keeping out-of-towners from bringing their cars in during busy times to ease congestion and pollution. Just hope there is a pro motorist candidate who can get a vote instead.
If no one owns any cars why are there so many jan packed residents and yet so so so much traffic and no I’m not talking about city of London when I talk london I’m talking Hammersmith, Lambeth, Wandsworth etc where many people live and there are streets filled with cars even in CPZ zones.
Londoners not owning cars is some sort of bulls
t claim by maybe some folk who live in old street or overlooking Victoria park. And if no one owns cars, wtf is the need for all of this s
t, as far as I know (as a car owner) the traffic levels are going way beyond pre covid levels and now it’s about squeezing the motorist for even more cash.And no, this does nothing for pollution, road are rammed, cars at idle driving slower it just means more congestion and therefore more pollution.
It’s a f
king fraud. You’ll see. It really isn’t that hard to figure out.But this year, they've scrapped the resident's discount (which is going to have pi**ed off a LOT of people) and extended the CC hours. As a Londoner-in-remission it used to be convenient to drive into town to meet up with friends outside of CC hours. Now the options are:
1) Meet somewhere else - a non-starter as my London friends think that the North Circ is a moat and the air is too thin to breathe outside it
2) Pay £15 CC - Rather not
3) Pay a similar amount to park just outside CC and walk in
4) Pay about a million pounds to ride in a dirty mobile asylum full of drunks.
5) Buy a vehicle with 9 or more seats, because single-occupancy minibuses are obviously the solution to congestion and pollution.
Option 2 introduces the risk that there may be nowhere to park and I end up going for Option 3 anyway. Option 4... No thanks. Option 5 is a stupid exemption, open to abuse.
If the CC is intended to keep cars out of London, it's serving its purpose in my case. However it's also keeping people out of London. Yeah, I don't pretend that dinner and drinks for Mrs D and me is economically equivalent to some city hotshot brokering massive deals, but as our nation's capital London should be accessible and open to all. These changes have made it more insular.
donkmeister said:
Until this year I felt that the Congestion Charge was mostly about keeping out-of-towners from bringing their cars in during busy times to ease congestion and pollution.
But this year, they've scrapped the resident's discount (which is going to have pi**ed off a LOT of people) and extended the CC hours. As a Londoner-in-remission it used to be convenient to drive into town to meet up with friends outside of CC hours. Now the options are:
1) Meet somewhere else - a non-starter as my London friends think that the North Circ is a moat and the air is too thin to breathe outside it
2) Pay £15 CC - Rather not
3) Pay a similar amount to park just outside CC and walk in
4) Pay about a million pounds to ride in a dirty mobile asylum full of drunks.
5) Buy a vehicle with 9 or more seats, because single-occupancy minibuses are obviously the solution to congestion and pollution.
Option 2 introduces the risk that there may be nowhere to park and I end up going for Option 3 anyway. Option 4... No thanks. Option 5 is a stupid exemption, open to abuse.
If the CC is intended to keep cars out of London, it's serving its purpose in my case. However it's also keeping people out of London. Yeah, I don't pretend that dinner and drinks for Mrs D and me is economically equivalent to some city hotshot brokering massive deals, but as our nation's capital London should be accessible and open to all. These changes have made it more insular.
Pretty much this. But this year, they've scrapped the resident's discount (which is going to have pi**ed off a LOT of people) and extended the CC hours. As a Londoner-in-remission it used to be convenient to drive into town to meet up with friends outside of CC hours. Now the options are:
1) Meet somewhere else - a non-starter as my London friends think that the North Circ is a moat and the air is too thin to breathe outside it
2) Pay £15 CC - Rather not
3) Pay a similar amount to park just outside CC and walk in
4) Pay about a million pounds to ride in a dirty mobile asylum full of drunks.
5) Buy a vehicle with 9 or more seats, because single-occupancy minibuses are obviously the solution to congestion and pollution.
Option 2 introduces the risk that there may be nowhere to park and I end up going for Option 3 anyway. Option 4... No thanks. Option 5 is a stupid exemption, open to abuse.
If the CC is intended to keep cars out of London, it's serving its purpose in my case. However it's also keeping people out of London. Yeah, I don't pretend that dinner and drinks for Mrs D and me is economically equivalent to some city hotshot brokering massive deals, but as our nation's capital London should be accessible and open to all. These changes have made it more insular.
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