Question about speed awareness course?
Question about speed awareness course?
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UTH

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12,264 posts

207 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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I got done 48 in a 30 the other day, straight to 3 points and fine, first time I've ever been done.

Not that I have been caught, but if I was to be done on, say, the motorway at 80 something, could I be offered the course? Or is it only ever valid for your first offence, which in my case wasn't an option as 48 was too high?

douglasb

316 posts

251 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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Courses are offered in England and Wales at up to Limit + 10% + 9mph provided you haven't done a similar course in the last 3 years.

A motorway course, a "general" speeding course, a smart motorway course and a 20mph course are all different.

Previous speeding offences don't come into it so you will be offered a course if you fit the criteria even if you're on 9 points.

UTH

Original Poster:

12,264 posts

207 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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douglasb said:
Courses are offered in England and Wales at up to Limit + 10% + 9mph provided you haven't done a similar course in the last 3 years.

A motorway course, a "general" speeding course, a smart motorway course and a 20mph course are all different.

Previous speeding offences don't come into it so you will be offered a course if you fit the criteria even if you're on 9 points.
Cool good to know, means I can relax a tiny bit on the motorway, at the moment I'm cruise control at 69 for fear of getting more points!

QBee

22,466 posts

173 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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Cruise control at 69 saves you loads of fuel and stress, without costing you much time.
But perhaps that's not an appropriate comment on Pistonheads.
In mitigation, I save my speeding for track days.

UTH

Original Poster:

12,264 posts

207 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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QBee said:
Cruise control at 69 saves you loads of fuel and stress, without costing you much time.
But perhaps that's not an appropriate comment on Pistonheads.
In mitigation, I save my speeding for track days.
Yes agreed, but sometimes I could maybe edge up to 75 without worrying too much wink

Fastdruid

9,375 posts

181 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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Most of the time I do a "GPS" 70 on the cruise control and that's still faster than ~80% of people as well as being far less stressful.

QBee

22,466 posts

173 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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UTH said:
Yes agreed, but sometimes I could maybe edge up to 75 without worrying too much wink
I tend not to use cruise control on track days..... whistle

BertBert

21,257 posts

240 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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douglasb said:
Courses are offered in England and Wales at up to Limit + 10% + 9mph provided you haven't done a similar course in the last 3 years.

A motorway course, a "general" speeding course, a smart motorway course and a 20mph course are all different.

Previous speeding offences don't come into it so you will be offered a course if you fit the criteria even if you're on 9 points.
I didn't think there was a different motorway course from a smart motorway course.

douglasb

316 posts

251 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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You may very well be right. The point I was trying to make is that there isn't just one type of speeding course so even if you have done a course in the last three years you could still be eligible for another course if it's of a different type.


BertBert

21,257 posts

240 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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Yes agreed

Guybrush

4,364 posts

235 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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QBee said:
Cruise control at 69 saves you loads of fuel and stress, without costing you much time.
But perhaps that's not an appropriate comment on Pistonheads.
In mitigation, I save my speeding for track days.
As long as you don't hold people up. A true 70 will be about 73, 74 on the speedo (possibly a little more).

QBee

22,466 posts

173 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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Guybrush said:
QBee said:
Cruise control at 69 saves you loads of fuel and stress, without costing you much time.
But perhaps that's not an appropriate comment on Pistonheads.
In mitigation, I save my speeding for track days.
As long as you don't hold people up. A true 70 will be about 73, 74 on the speedo (possibly a little more).
In my Saab a true 70 is 71 on the speedo.
In my Nissan it is 77 on the speedo.
In my TVR it's 68 on the speedo
First thing I always do when i buy a new-to-me car is find out the true speeds.

But I agree, most modern German cars tend to show about 3mph faster than the truth

Red Devil

13,510 posts

237 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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QBee said:
In my Saab a true 70 is 71 on the speedo.
In my Nissan it is 77 on the speedo.
In my TVR it's 68 on the speedo
First thing I always do when i buy a new-to-me car is find out the true speeds.

But I agree, most modern German cars tend to show about 3mph faster than the truth
Under-reading. Hmmm...
https://www.startrescue.co.uk/breakdown-cover/moto...
Mind you with a Tiv anything is possible. smile

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

145 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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UTH said:
QBee said:
Cruise control at 69 saves you loads of fuel and stress, without costing you much time.
But perhaps that's not an appropriate comment on Pistonheads.
In mitigation, I save my speeding for track days.
Yes agreed, but sometimes I could maybe edge up to 75 without worrying too much wink
Large sections of motorway speed limits being reduced to 60mph for environmental / pollution reasons.drivinggrumpy

QBee

22,466 posts

173 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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Red Devil said:
Under-reading. Hmmm...
https://www.startrescue.co.uk/breakdown-cover/moto...
Mind you with a Tiv anything is possible. smile
My TVR is on non-standard wheels, in order to accommodate non-standard front brakes.

dontlookdown

2,503 posts

122 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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On the course I did about 18 months ago, the moderator told us that you could only do 1 course every 2 years, and that if we got a ticket within that 2 yr window it would be points and a fine.

But it may have been BS, he was the type that might have been full of it.

It doesn't work the other way IME, you can be offered a course if you have existing points for speeding.

Also I believe the limit +10% rule is not a rule but a guideline, so in some regions the policy will differ slightly.

Speeding on the motorway is too much like hard work most of the time these days. Too much traffic and no lane discipline, never mind all the av spd cameras. 65-75 on cruise for me.

QBee

22,466 posts

173 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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dontlookdown said:
On the course I did about 18 months ago, the moderator told us that you could only do 1 course every 2 years, and that if we got a ticket within that 2 yr window it would be points and a fine.

But it may have been BS, he was the type that might have been full of it.

It doesn't work the other way IME, you can be offered a course if you have existing points for speeding.

Also I believe the limit +10% rule is not a rule but a guideline, so in some regions the policy will differ slightly.

Speeding on the motorway is too much like hard work most of the time these days. Too much traffic and no lane discipline, never mind all the av spd cameras. 65-75 on cruise for me.
The rule, as I understand it, is you are only eligibile for an SAC if your speed fits their parameters, and you haven't done one in the last 3 years and 6 months.
As you say, beware assuming that you can be at the limit plus 10% plus 3mph before you get prosecuted.
Lincolnshire, which includes a fair bit of the A1, prosecute if you are the limit, plus 10%, plus 2 mph, so I was done for 57 in a 50 in roadworks.
It was the one time I wasn't on cruise, having slowed down for the half mile of roadworks near Grantham. My fault, wasn't concentrating well enough.
Late evening, nobody working, no traffic are not valid excuses. It is what it is, I did the SAC (only 2.5 hours on the Teams online version) and we motor on.

mmm-five

12,347 posts

313 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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QBee said:
Cruise control at 69 saves you loads of fuel and stress, without costing you much time.
But perhaps that's not an appropriate comment on Pistonheads.
In mitigation, I save my speeding for track days.
I tend not to find speed limits on most tracks (except for the pit lane entry and paddock) - so is that where you choose to do your 'speeding' wink

I just drive to the conditions on both road and track, sometimes a bit over the limit, sometimes much slower due to traffic/weather!

mmm-five

12,347 posts

313 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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QBee said:
I tend not to use cruise control on track days..... whistle
I've tried it at Castle Combe and Nurburgring, but it was scary as it was a bit fast for the slower corners and too slow for the faster bits.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

147 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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UTH said:
QBee said:
Cruise control at 69 saves you loads of fuel and stress, without costing you much time.
But perhaps that's not an appropriate comment on Pistonheads.
In mitigation, I save my speeding for track days.
Yes agreed, but sometimes I could maybe edge up to 75 without worrying too much wink
I had my first speeding ticket ever the other week. Ever. In 12 years and over 200,000 miles of driving

53 in a 40.

40mph....

At 4.30 am

Without another car in visible distance

Because 1 of the 4 lanes was shut.

On the M4 near Bristol.

Gantries said 50. I passed 3 or 4 gantries .

Then one was set at 40 for some reason. Easy money for the Government.

I think 53 was the upper limit for SAC so I'll see how that goes but even when you are driving at a reasonable speed you can still get caught out!