GDPR question

[MXRod]

This is a simple legal question , the deeper discussion is being held on the CV19 in schools thread .

So mods please do not move

Can a school use GDPR as a reason for refusing to confirm whether or not a student in a particular year group ,now tested positive for CV19 ,and in quarantine with the rest of the year group “bubble “ had used a feeder bus with students of other year groups .Thereby putting other students at risk .

[Cyberprog]

I don't think that would be personal information, you don't need to know the pupils name, just if they were on the bus.

That said, does the bus policy require them to wear masks on the bus and to maintain spacing in year groups?

[anonymous-user]

Are you planning to carry a pitchfork, a spade handle, or some other implement before you set fire to the house? Pitchforks are the traditional choice.

In other news, did you know that you can get RSI from curtain twitching? Could be nasty.

[MXRod]

Breadvan72 said:

Are you planning to carry a pitchfork, a spade handle, or some other implement before you set fire to the house? Pitchforks are the traditional choice.

In other news, did you know that you can get RSI from curtain twitching? Could be nasty.

What the hell are you talking about , stupid posts like that are no help to anyone , go and lay down in a darkened room until the your head is clear .

[anonymous-user]

If you can directly or indirectly identify an individual through the disclosure of information then that is personal data.

As this relates to health, it is a special category of personal data.

Essentially, they are correct, but i think it is through chance - the school has just guessed at GDPR as being the reason as to why they don't want to get involved.

[MXRod]

Cyberprog said:

I don't think that would be personal information, you don't need to know the pupils name, just if they were on the bus.

That said, does the bus policy require them to wear masks on the bus and to maintain spacing in year groups?

Meanwhile on to sensible posts , yes the bus co does have a fully masked and limited capacity policy on their busses , but with one driver and no other supervision on the bus .......

[anonymous-user]

MXRod said:

What the hell are you talking about , stupid posts like that are no help to anyone , go and lay down in a darkened room until the your head is clear .

Physician, heal thyself!

[barian]

Breadvan72 said:

Are you planning to carry a pitchfork, a spade handle, or some other implement before you set fire to the house? Pitchforks are the traditional choice.

In other news, did you know that you can get RSI from curtain twitching? Could be nasty.

This would clearly be excessive. The normal approach would be to brick up the doors and ground floor windows with the occupants inside.

[robbieduncan]

If I read this right you already know that student A has had a test and tested positive and you want confirmation if student A was on a particular bus? So you are not asking for health data about that student. So the question is (if I am correct):

Does the GDPR prevent releasing whether a specific person was on a specific bus?

[anonymous-user]

barian said:

Breadvan72 said:

Are you planning to carry a pitchfork, a spade handle, or some other implement before you set fire to the house? Pitchforks are the traditional choice.

In other news, did you know that you can get RSI from curtain twitching? Could be nasty.

This would clearly be excessive. The normal approach would be to brick up the doors and ground floor windows with the occupants inside.

That is a fair, balanced, and moderate proposal, and I agree with it.

[anonymous-user]

robbieduncan said:

Does the GDPR prevent releasing whether a specific person was on a specific bus?

It prevents a data controller or processor from releasing data directly or indirectly relating to an individual where it does not have that individual's express consent; unless it is for a number of specific purposes (e.g. law enforcement).

[anonymous-user]

This thread may be a neat illustration of the hysteria that Covid, and the Government's inept reactions to it, aided by irresponsible media, have caused. OP, you might wish to look at some of the papers on the website of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine. Simple message: don't panic.

[MXRod]

robbieduncan said:

If I read this right you already know that student A has had a test and tested positive and you want confirmation if student A was on a particular bus? So you are not asking for health data about that student. So the question is (if I am correct):

Does the GDPR prevent releasing whether a specific person was on a specific bus?

Correct
That is all we would like to know , then we , as a family , can then take extra precautions for a week or so.

[MXRod]

Breadvan72 said:

This thread may be a neat illustration of the hysteria that Covid, and the Government's inept reactions to it, aided by irresponsible media, have caused. OP, you might wish to look at some of the papers on the website of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine. Simple message: don't panic.

This thread is a neat illustration of how a question , can bring out the stupidity of some contributers who seem unable to answer a simple question .
Just to repeat , I will do it loud , just to help it sink in , ARE THE SCHOOL CORRECT IN USING GDPR AS AN EXCUSE TO REFUSE TO CONFIRM OR DENY A BUS WAS USED BY AN INFECTED PERSON . Nothing else
Not difficult is it ?

[anonymous-user]

As I have answered twice.

Yes.

[MXRod]

01WE01 said:

As I have answered twice.

Yes.

Thanks I had noted yours and other helpful answers , just irritated by the trolls
Problem is the school are intransigent, so brick wall

[Justin Case]

01WE01 said:

robbieduncan said:

Does the GDPR prevent releasing whether a specific person was on a specific bus?

It prevents a data controller or processor from releasing data directly or indirectly relating to an individual where it does not have that individual's express consent; unless it is for a number of specific purposes (e.g. law enforcement).

Is the correct answer. There are separate procedures for the test and trace system, but it doesn't look as if they apply here.

Edit - it is test and trace not track and trace, sorry if any confusion caused

Edited by Justin Case on Tuesday 15th September 22:42

[MXRod]

Justin Case said:

01WE01 said:

robbieduncan said:

Does the GDPR prevent releasing whether a specific person was on a specific bus?

It prevents a data controller or processor from releasing data directly or indirectly relating to an individual where it does not have that individual's express consent; unless it is for a number of specific purposes (e.g. law enforcement).

Is the correct answer. There are separate procedures for the track and trace system, but it doesn't look as if they apply here.

Thank you , I am now understanding . So in essence the school are correct .

[anonymous-user]

MXRod said:

Breadvan72 said:

This thread may be a neat illustration of the hysteria that Covid, and the Government's inept reactions to it, aided by irresponsible media, have caused. OP, you might wish to look at some of the papers on the website of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine. Simple message: don't panic.

This thread is a neat illustration of how a question , can bring out the stupidity of some contributers who seem unable to answer a simple question .
Just to repeat , I will do it loud , just to help it sink in , ARE THE SCHOOL CORRECT IN USING GDPR AS AN EXCUSE TO REFUSE TO CONFIRM OR DENY A BUS WAS USED BY AN INFECTED PERSON . Nothing else
Not difficult is it ?

I am perfectly capable of answering your question. I exercised a free choice not to do so. Others have answered the question for you, so all is well. My observations are about the irrational basis for your question. I am sorry that you are, it appears, easily frightened, but help is at hand - have a look at some of the calm and evidence based info about Covid, and you may feel less tense and be less shouty.

PS: The word is "contributors". HTH.

[NGee]

MXRod said:

Breadvan72 said:

This thread may be a neat illustration of the hysteria that Covid, and the Government's inept reactions to it, aided by irresponsible media, have caused. OP, you might wish to look at some of the papers on the website of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine. Simple message: don't panic.

This thread is a neat illustration of how a question , can bring out the stupidity of some contributers who seem unable to answer a simple question .
Just to repeat , I will do it loud , just to help it sink in , ARE THE SCHOOL CORRECT IN USING GDPR AS AN EXCUSE TO REFUSE TO CONFIRM OR DENY A BUS WAS USED BY AN INFECTED PERSON . Nothing else
Not difficult is it ?

If you are so paranoid that you actually believe all the hysterical scaremongering then surely the thing to do is to is to take those extra precautions for a week or so NOW.
Why are you worrying about GDPR?
By the time you get the answer (that you already know), any potential threat will have long since come and gone and any action you then take, will be completely pointless.