Actions of police who fatally shot terrorist to be examined
Actions of police who fatally shot terrorist to be examined
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un1corn

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2,143 posts

166 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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https://news.sky.com/story/actions-of-police-who-f...

2-3 week examintion by the judge to; "examine the police response, including the judgements of the officers in using lethal force."

Here's an examination for you - Convicted terrorist walks the streets freely and starts stabbing people and is dead within 60 seconds of launching his attack.

I mean, was there really a need for the IOPC to go and obtain 349 witness statements? Holy fking st.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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I understand your sentiment, but it’s good to have transparency when agents of the state are killing people.

There can also be, and I know it’s a lame phrase, “lessons to be learnt” from the whole matter.

I don’t think for a second the officers have anything to worry about.

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

7,869 posts

84 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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Why wouldn't they? If I was ARU I'd want to know that they'd gathered all the evidence that I'd acted appropriately.

Better than in 15 years time finding myself being questioned and the threat of jail time because somebody in the future discovers due process wasn't followed.

320d is all you need

2,114 posts

72 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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un1corn said:
https://news.sky.com/story/actions-of-police-who-f...

2-3 week examintion by the judge to; "examine the police response, including the judgements of the officers in using lethal force."

Here's an examination for you - Convicted terrorist walks the streets freely and starts stabbing people and is dead within 60 seconds of launching his attack.

I mean, was there really a need for the IOPC to go and obtain 349 witness statements? Holy fking st.
I agree.
Seems completely pointless.

Type R Tom

4,312 posts

178 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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My interpretation of it seems to be more about what went on before the shooting than when the police stopped him. That being said, I would hate for any action to be taken against the officers that pulled the trigger.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Why wouldn't they? If I was ARU I'd want to know that they'd gathered all the evidence that I'd acted appropriately.

Better than in 15 years time finding myself being questioned and the threat of jail time because somebody in the future discovers due process wasn't followed.
I agree but only due to the fact a legal bod is usually quite willing to make a few quid out of it.

Caddyshack

14,792 posts

235 months

Friday 18th December 2020
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Why wouldn't they? If I was ARU I'd want to know that they'd gathered all the evidence that I'd acted appropriately.

Better than in 15 years time finding myself being questioned and the threat of jail time because somebody in the future discovers due process wasn't followed.
Agree if they are collecting evidence to support your actions only. But what if you have the threat of jail time now due to the current enquiry?

I don’t want the people trusted to protect me with firearms to waste 1 second slotting a terrorist due to them second guessing the system.

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Can you think of a single case in which an armed officer has not acted because of concern about being scrutinised?

An inquest with a jury is mandatory after every death following police contact. The chances of officers being criticised in the verdict of this inquest are negligible.

Gameface

16,565 posts

106 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Caddyshack said:
slotting
Calm down, Andy.

alabbasi

3,220 posts

116 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Hmm, this is a difficult one for me

What's the cost to the tax payer to keep a terrorist in prison for life?
What's the cost of a 9mm bullet? about $14 for a box of 50

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Judge Dredd is a fictional character. Mega City One is not a fun place to live.

CoolHands

23,421 posts

224 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Breadvan72 said:
Can you think of a single case in which an armed officer has not acted because of concern about being scrutinised?
Surely that can never be known since if no action was taken nothing would be investigated

TVR1

5,478 posts

254 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Breadvan72 said:
Judge Dredd is a fictional character. Mega City One is not a fun place to live.
For a number of ‘members’ on PH, I’m afraid JD probably isn’t and MC1 is. Especially at 06.04 in the am.

Having said that, The RAID is a much better movie.









Edited by TVR1 on Saturday 19th December 06:06

TVR1

5,478 posts

254 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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CoolHands said:
Breadvan72 said:
Can you think of a single case in which an armed officer has not acted because of concern about being scrutinised?
Surely that can never be known since if no action was taken nothing would be investigated
Do you have a cat?

CoolHands

23,421 posts

224 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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It’s in the woods

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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CoolHands said:
Breadvan72 said:
Can you think of a single case in which an armed officer has not acted because of concern about being scrutinised?
Surely that can never be known since if no action was taken nothing would be investigated
You would have heard the news: "citizens killed by terrorist whilst worried cop hangs back." That never happens.

TVR1

5,478 posts

254 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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CoolHands said:
It’s in the woods
How do you know?

Ian Geary

5,599 posts

221 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Breadvan72 said:
CoolHands said:
Breadvan72 said:
Can you think of a single case in which an armed officer has not acted because of concern about being scrutinised?
Surely that can never be known since if no action was taken nothing would be investigated
You would have heard the news: "citizens killed by terrorist whilst worried cop hangs back." That never happens.
Ok, so stretching a stretchy thing here, but didn't the recent Manchester arena bombing inquest uncover an unwillingness to ask suspicious looking dark person with oversized rucksack what they were doing, for fear of being perceived as racist?

(Security guard, not police: as i said, stretchy)

So I support the inquests.

If it costs more than some people think it's worth, I would say that's just the price of democracy.

I think it's a price worth paying.

bitchstewie

67,472 posts

239 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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They shot a terrorist.

There is an investigation to see if things could have been done differently because presumably if things can be done differently next time it may result in fewer casualties.

I don't get what people are angry about.

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 19th December 2020
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Ian Geary said:
Ok, so stretching a stretchy thing here, but didn't the recent Manchester arena bombing inquest uncover an unwillingness to ask suspicious looking dark person with oversized rucksack what they were doing, for fear of being perceived as racist?

(Security guard, not police: as i said, stretchy)

So I support the inquests.

If it costs more than some people think it's worth, I would say that's just the price of democracy.

I think it's a price worth paying.
Correct, and a good reason to have an inquest.