Audi s3 import registration
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Maybe someone can help me out here as I don’t understand dvla.
I purchased a damaged repairable Audi s3 that had been imported from Australia and not yet UK registered.
Damage was minor and confined to the rear bumper,heat/fire/smoke damage.
Figured it would need a Iva so repaired it before applying as didn’t want to get a appointment when it wasn’t fit for the road.
As said,the damage was minimal,needed a new bumper,bumper brackets,bumper wiring loom and associated sensors/brackets.
Applied for the Iva and got a call from the DVSA advising me that it had already been issued a Iva certificate last year and all I would need is a duplicate certificate which the kindly sorted out.
Insured it under its vin in preparation for v5 and tax application and took it for its mot which it duly passed no issues.
Sent off v5 application with all supporting documents and cheques for registration and road tax.
Had it all returned back to me with a note that the Australian authorities had classified it as a statutory write off and for it to be registered here in the uk I need to restamp a new chassis number on the car and reapply when I will be given a Q plate.
Reading up on this I understand in New South Wales That cars are given this status for fun,but why does this affect what it’s registered as in the uk?
The vin numbers are clear and as should be (at the moment anyhow until the change is forced by dvla),the age of the vehicle is clear and I even have emails from Audi Australia that explain day of first use,reg number,list price etc.
The history is clear enough and traceable.
So by definition age or history is known and to be honest I would prefer it to be known as when I come to sell the vehicle I would rather people know what they are buying and it’s history,I have photos showing the extent of the damage and over here in the uk it would have been a cat N at worst.
Sorry for the long winded post,hope it explains my predicament.
I purchased a damaged repairable Audi s3 that had been imported from Australia and not yet UK registered.
Damage was minor and confined to the rear bumper,heat/fire/smoke damage.
Figured it would need a Iva so repaired it before applying as didn’t want to get a appointment when it wasn’t fit for the road.
As said,the damage was minimal,needed a new bumper,bumper brackets,bumper wiring loom and associated sensors/brackets.
Applied for the Iva and got a call from the DVSA advising me that it had already been issued a Iva certificate last year and all I would need is a duplicate certificate which the kindly sorted out.
Insured it under its vin in preparation for v5 and tax application and took it for its mot which it duly passed no issues.
Sent off v5 application with all supporting documents and cheques for registration and road tax.
Had it all returned back to me with a note that the Australian authorities had classified it as a statutory write off and for it to be registered here in the uk I need to restamp a new chassis number on the car and reapply when I will be given a Q plate.
Reading up on this I understand in New South Wales That cars are given this status for fun,but why does this affect what it’s registered as in the uk?
The vin numbers are clear and as should be (at the moment anyhow until the change is forced by dvla),the age of the vehicle is clear and I even have emails from Audi Australia that explain day of first use,reg number,list price etc.
The history is clear enough and traceable.
So by definition age or history is known and to be honest I would prefer it to be known as when I come to sell the vehicle I would rather people know what they are buying and it’s history,I have photos showing the extent of the damage and over here in the uk it would have been a cat N at worst.
Sorry for the long winded post,hope it explains my predicament.
ianhah said:
Maybe someone can help me out here as I don’t understand dvla.
I purchased a damaged repairable Audi s3 that had been imported from Australia and not yet UK registered.
Damage was minor and confined to the rear bumper,heat/fire/smoke damage.
Figured it would need a Iva so repaired it before applying as didn’t want to get a appointment when it wasn’t fit for the road.
As said,the damage was minimal,needed a new bumper,bumper brackets,bumper wiring loom and associated sensors/brackets.
Applied for the Iva and got a call from the DVSA advising me that it had already been issued a Iva certificate last year and all I would need is a duplicate certificate which the kindly sorted out.
Insured it under its vin in preparation for v5 and tax application and took it for its mot which it duly passed no issues.
Sent off v5 application with all supporting documents and cheques for registration and road tax.
Had it all returned back to me with a note that the Australian authorities had classified it as a statutory write off and for it to be registered here in the uk I need to restamp a new chassis number on the car and reapply when I will be given a Q plate.
Reading up on this I understand in New South Wales That cars are given this status for fun,but why does this affect what it’s registered as in the uk?
The vin numbers are clear and as should be (at the moment anyhow until the change is forced by dvla),the age of the vehicle is clear and I even have emails from Audi Australia that explain day of first use,reg number,list price etc.
The history is clear enough and traceable.
So by definition age or history is known and to be honest I would prefer it to be known as when I come to sell the vehicle I would rather people know what they are buying and it’s history,I have photos showing the extent of the damage and over here in the uk it would have been a cat N at worst.
Sorry for the long winded post,hope it explains my predicament.
What in-depth engineer's report do you have from Australia concerning the extent of the damage? (Not just photographs, but a full report)I purchased a damaged repairable Audi s3 that had been imported from Australia and not yet UK registered.
Damage was minor and confined to the rear bumper,heat/fire/smoke damage.
Figured it would need a Iva so repaired it before applying as didn’t want to get a appointment when it wasn’t fit for the road.
As said,the damage was minimal,needed a new bumper,bumper brackets,bumper wiring loom and associated sensors/brackets.
Applied for the Iva and got a call from the DVSA advising me that it had already been issued a Iva certificate last year and all I would need is a duplicate certificate which the kindly sorted out.
Insured it under its vin in preparation for v5 and tax application and took it for its mot which it duly passed no issues.
Sent off v5 application with all supporting documents and cheques for registration and road tax.
Had it all returned back to me with a note that the Australian authorities had classified it as a statutory write off and for it to be registered here in the uk I need to restamp a new chassis number on the car and reapply when I will be given a Q plate.
Reading up on this I understand in New South Wales That cars are given this status for fun,but why does this affect what it’s registered as in the uk?
The vin numbers are clear and as should be (at the moment anyhow until the change is forced by dvla),the age of the vehicle is clear and I even have emails from Audi Australia that explain day of first use,reg number,list price etc.
The history is clear enough and traceable.
So by definition age or history is known and to be honest I would prefer it to be known as when I come to sell the vehicle I would rather people know what they are buying and it’s history,I have photos showing the extent of the damage and over here in the uk it would have been a cat N at worst.
Sorry for the long winded post,hope it explains my predicament.
You say all that was required was a rear bumper, bumper brackets etc., etc., etc., but what proof do you have that the rear crumple zone wasn't damaged? (They're actually damaged quite easily these days, by design - even without rear wing/quarter panel damage, the bumper mounts can still cause damage to the boot floor area, which weakens the crumple zone)
I seriously doubt that cars are written of in New South Wales "for fun" - I suspect they take written off vehicles being put back on the road just as seriously as the UK Authorities do, and don't see anything funny in it at all.
According to here: https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/pdf/asmade...
The "fun" reasons for applying a "Statutory Write-Off" classification includes:
statutory write-off means (subject to the regulations, which may exclude written-off vehicles from this definition) a written-off vehicle that is one of the following:
(a) a vehicle (other than a motor bike) that has been:
(i) immersed in salt water above the door sill level for any period, or
(ii) immersed in fresh water up to or above the dashboard or steering wheel for more than 48 hours
(b) a motor bike that has been:
(i) fully immersed in salt water for any period, or
(ii) fully immersed in fresh water for more than 48hours
(c) a vehicle that has been burnt to such an extent that it is fit only for wrecking or scrap
(d) a vehicle that has been stripped of all, or a combination of most, interior and exterior body parts, panels and components (examples of which are the engine, wheels,bonnet, guards, doors and boot lid),
(e) a vehicle (other than a motor bike) that has been damaged by at least 3 of the following indicators of impact damage:
(i) damage to an area of the roof equal to or exceeding300 mm by 300 mm
(ii) damage to an area of the cabin floor pan equal to or exceeding 300 mm by 300 mm
(iii) damage to an area of the firewall equal to or exceeding 300 mm by 300 mm
(iv) any damage to the suspension
(v)damage (whether a crack or a break) to any major mechanical component, such as the engine block or transmission casing
(f) a motor bike that has impact damage (excluding scratching) to the suspension and at least 2 areas of structural frame damage
(g) a vehicle that has such other damage, or is in such other state or condition, as is prescribed by the regulations.
My suspicion is, the boot floor is classified as a part of the "cabin floor pan", and the vehicle fell foul of part (e) section (ii).
A "Statutory write off" in Australia is basically their equivalent of a CAT A or CAT B in the UK based on the information here (See Section11): https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/...
A part of the Statutory write off procedure is to put at least one sticker on the vehicle, that clearly states:
Basically, regardless of your opinion, you've bought an Australian write-off that should never be put back on the road for whatever reason - It's definitely not a UK CAT N equivalent.
It sounds as though part of the Australian process is to officially record the chassis number as having been destroyed - Hence your need for a new chassis number.
A lot of these sort of write-off's from Australia, New Zealand and Japan, get sold off in Far East markets where they don't worry about insurance write-off's so much.
The reason why it hadn't been registered in the UK yet, is because the seller knew there's a good chance it can't be registered in the UK, due to it's Australian history, and the fact that even if it could be registered, it would have to be put on a "Q" plate, massively reducing it's value.
Be aware that you should also notify your insurance company that the vehicle is an Australian CAT A/CAT B equivalent - Because if you don't, and they discover the vehicle's history, and the fact you knew it was a Statutory write off in Australia (which the DVLA/DVSA can now inform them), then you will be deemed to have withheld information that would have a bearing on the vehicle's suitability for insurance.
You apparently want the vehicle to be registered as though it had never been an insurance write-off (a "clean title" as Americans call it), but it seems, that cannot happen (whilst unfortunate for you, it's a good thing for other possible future buyers of the vehicle!)
Don’t want it as you suggest being a clean vehicle,happy for it to have a marker against it,even international one,lets not forget that with a new vin number it will be a unregistered write off whereas the old one is logged against damaged.
I have read quite a few Australian forums and indeed they do write off vehicles for any form off damage,nsw being even more stricter than other zones.
The regs you quoted above must be old ones as the statutory write off guidelines are
“Event criteria
Fire criteria
The fire damage SWO criteria consider in-vehicle (engine compartment, occupant cabin and/or boot) and external damage. A fire (whether in-cabin or external) which causes the internal and/or external paint to blister on any three of the following structural members; roof, pillars, floor pan, firewall and or structural rails/chassis shall be deemed a SWO.
Paint blistering on the doors and/or external panels that are designed to be detached is not sufficient for the vehicle to be classified a SWO as these components can be replaced without affecting the rest of the structure.
In addition, where a vehicle has sustained a combination of exterior and interior fire damage such that it is determined to be a total loss, it is to be classified as a SWO.”
So 3 blisters caused by fire or heat are enough to cause a statutory write off.
When I got it there wasn’t a back bumper on it nor was there the wiring,the rear valance was burned to the point the paint had blistered,the chassis under seal at the rear 12” was flakey,the axle,shockers etc still have the parts stickers on ,there was a singe to the nsr wheel arch liner,the roof is undamaged,however the plastic aerial on the roof shows blistering,yet windscreen rubbers don’t.
The History report I purchased show
NEVDIS Written off Vehicle Notifcation:
NSW, 29 May 2018, Statutory Write-off
F04N [ Fire | Driver rear | Burnt/blistered ] F05N [ Fire | Passenger rear | Burnt/blistered ] F08N [ Fire | Roof | Burnt/blistered ]
F09O [ Fire | Interior | Smoke and heat ]
The interior shows signs of heat on the foam tool holders in the boot and one of the side trims has the slightest of burn marks at the bottom where a rubber grommet had melted.
No signs of smoke damage or any signs.
I have read quite a few Australian forums and indeed they do write off vehicles for any form off damage,nsw being even more stricter than other zones.
The regs you quoted above must be old ones as the statutory write off guidelines are
“Event criteria
Fire criteria
The fire damage SWO criteria consider in-vehicle (engine compartment, occupant cabin and/or boot) and external damage. A fire (whether in-cabin or external) which causes the internal and/or external paint to blister on any three of the following structural members; roof, pillars, floor pan, firewall and or structural rails/chassis shall be deemed a SWO.
Paint blistering on the doors and/or external panels that are designed to be detached is not sufficient for the vehicle to be classified a SWO as these components can be replaced without affecting the rest of the structure.
In addition, where a vehicle has sustained a combination of exterior and interior fire damage such that it is determined to be a total loss, it is to be classified as a SWO.”
So 3 blisters caused by fire or heat are enough to cause a statutory write off.
When I got it there wasn’t a back bumper on it nor was there the wiring,the rear valance was burned to the point the paint had blistered,the chassis under seal at the rear 12” was flakey,the axle,shockers etc still have the parts stickers on ,there was a singe to the nsr wheel arch liner,the roof is undamaged,however the plastic aerial on the roof shows blistering,yet windscreen rubbers don’t.
The History report I purchased show
NEVDIS Written off Vehicle Notifcation:
NSW, 29 May 2018, Statutory Write-off
F04N [ Fire | Driver rear | Burnt/blistered ] F05N [ Fire | Passenger rear | Burnt/blistered ] F08N [ Fire | Roof | Burnt/blistered ]
F09O [ Fire | Interior | Smoke and heat ]
The interior shows signs of heat on the foam tool holders in the boot and one of the side trims has the slightest of burn marks at the bottom where a rubber grommet had melted.
No signs of smoke damage or any signs.
Edited by ianhah on Monday 28th December 18:46
I should add that I am a mechanic of 40 years with my own business,granted I am not a body repairer but certainly know my way around cars and the damage that I have repaired does not constitute a total loss vehicle,as I have said in the uk I have seen cat n much worse.
It’s not had impact damage and cost to repair has been around £1000,I decided to leave the bubbled aerial as it’s only plastic and it ties in with its history with no detriment to the vehicle,so I have no intentions of passing it off as something it will never be.
It’s not had impact damage and cost to repair has been around £1000,I decided to leave the bubbled aerial as it’s only plastic and it ties in with its history with no detriment to the vehicle,so I have no intentions of passing it off as something it will never be.
In the uk, a car will be written off most of the time from fire damage, and its usually a CAT A or B, this is due to it potentially being a health hazard, you dont know what caused the fire, what carcinogens are now in the upholstery of the vehicle, or what structural damage it has done, it could have weakened the structure of the vehicle.
You wold need to go through the process of registering a New VIN, and having a quick look at the process, there will be a record of the old VIN and the New vin for the vehicle, so it will still be recorded.
The biggest issue you will have is that it may not pass an assessment if one is needed, and if it does, you may struggle to find someone to insure you for a cat A/B vehicle, and if you do, if your involved in an accident, they will write it off straight away, and it will be worth nothing.
You wold need to go through the process of registering a New VIN, and having a quick look at the process, there will be a record of the old VIN and the New vin for the vehicle, so it will still be recorded.
The biggest issue you will have is that it may not pass an assessment if one is needed, and if it does, you may struggle to find someone to insure you for a cat A/B vehicle, and if you do, if your involved in an accident, they will write it off straight away, and it will be worth nothing.
Camelot1971 said:
I'm surprised its economic to send a damaged S3 to the UK from Australia - surely its cheaper to get a damaged UK car and repair it? Without wanting to be rude, it's not exactly a rare or special car.
It’s a 2017 with a genuine 630 miles on the clock and fully loaded,I regarded it as quite a rare find and to be fair the way that the price of salvage has gone nowadays it was a reasonable price in comparison.Smurfsarepeopletoo said:
In the uk, a car will be written off most of the time from fire damage, and its usually a CAT A or B, this is due to it potentially being a health hazard, you dont know what caused the fire, what carcinogens are now in the upholstery of the vehicle, or what structural damage it has done, it could have weakened the structure of the vehicle.
You wold need to go through the process of registering a New VIN, and having a quick look at the process, there will be a record of the old VIN and the New vin for the vehicle, so it will still be recorded.
The biggest issue you will have is that it may not pass an assessment if one is needed, and if it does, you may struggle to find someone to insure you for a cat A/B vehicle, and if you do, if your involved in an accident, they will write it off straight away, and it will be worth nothing.
It’s had and passed a Iva test and also a mot,both forms of assessment I would have thought.You wold need to go through the process of registering a New VIN, and having a quick look at the process, there will be a record of the old VIN and the New vin for the vehicle, so it will still be recorded.
The biggest issue you will have is that it may not pass an assessment if one is needed, and if it does, you may struggle to find someone to insure you for a cat A/B vehicle, and if you do, if your involved in an accident, they will write it off straight away, and it will be worth nothing.
Never had a Iva before so maybe it’s easy to get one I am not sure,certainly looks involved when I read up on it.
I get where you are coming from and I am pretty sure as soon as Fire and car is mentioned in the same sentence then it conjures up all kinds of images,but I can only say what I see and that is the interior of the vehicle is all original and there is only slight evidence If you look for it and all confined to the boot (it’s a sedan)with no signs at all of smoke damage,I have even wiped over the boot interior with a iso cloth which didn’t pull anything out.
I personally don’t see a compromised structure,nothing’s been distorted from heat,only superficial.
After reading a bit more in foreign forums it seems nsw classifies only statutory writeoffs,they don’t have repairable write off category,whereas other states have both classifications.
Can't help with the question other than to say I'd suspect you are going to be stuck with a Q plate (and needing to find an insurer that can cope with an imported, written off car on a Q).
But I'm very curious as to who would have gone to the bother of transporting it from down under to here! As I say, just curious!
Bert
But I'm very curious as to who would have gone to the bother of transporting it from down under to here! As I say, just curious!
Bert
Thanks,maybe I am looking at the issue in the wrong direction.
I was aware of Q plates and thought I knew there meaning,I even regarded and discounted it before purchase as all the government agencies describe it as
And to be honest that was my generalisation of it so I still don’t understand the criteria for Q as I can clearly trace its age and it’s history so neither is in doubt,can’t find any other description of Q,looking back if I had then I probably wouldn’t have bought it,hindsight is wonderful isn’t it.
I was aware of Q plates and thought I knew there meaning,I even regarded and discounted it before purchase as all the government agencies describe it as
And to be honest that was my generalisation of it so I still don’t understand the criteria for Q as I can clearly trace its age and it’s history so neither is in doubt,can’t find any other description of Q,looking back if I had then I probably wouldn’t have bought it,hindsight is wonderful isn’t it.
Edited by ianhah on Tuesday 29th December 11:21
I would imagine the Q plate comes into it as an aside to it having a new VIN as that immediately throws doubt upon the vehicle's identity, by its very existence.
The fact you know the history and that it's got paperwork and a current VIN which all ties up is irrelevant to a large extent.
To get it on the road you're being told it needs a new VIN. Having a new VIN blurs the identity and means it will get a Q plate. I would think that's the end of the story.
The fact you know the history and that it's got paperwork and a current VIN which all ties up is irrelevant to a large extent.
To get it on the road you're being told it needs a new VIN. Having a new VIN blurs the identity and means it will get a Q plate. I would think that's the end of the story.
It’s been written off in Australia,what’s that got to do with the uk?
If this vehicle had this amount of damage here in the uk it would be classed as one of the four categories that we have and hand on heart in my opinion it would be the least one,meaning a note on the v5 that the vehicle has had a insurance claim or whatever it is.
The cause of total loss wouldn’t have been so in any other area in Australia apart from nsw where there criteria doesn’t allow for repairable write off categories,whereas there neighbouring states allow 2 categories,statutory write off and repairable write off,so different state different criteria and this is most certainly repairable apart from its status.
All technicalities I know and is the reason I have posted as someone somewhere may have been in a similar situation and maybe able to advise alternatives,even if it means yes it’s possible but needs such and such to sort it,I appreciate all comments so far but still not convinced it’s as straight forward as automatic Q plate.
I am not a insurance assessor so maybe we have similar criteria here,I realy don’t know,I have repaired a few cat n and cat s over the years and none of them was as lightly damaged as this was.
If this vehicle had this amount of damage here in the uk it would be classed as one of the four categories that we have and hand on heart in my opinion it would be the least one,meaning a note on the v5 that the vehicle has had a insurance claim or whatever it is.
The cause of total loss wouldn’t have been so in any other area in Australia apart from nsw where there criteria doesn’t allow for repairable write off categories,whereas there neighbouring states allow 2 categories,statutory write off and repairable write off,so different state different criteria and this is most certainly repairable apart from its status.
All technicalities I know and is the reason I have posted as someone somewhere may have been in a similar situation and maybe able to advise alternatives,even if it means yes it’s possible but needs such and such to sort it,I appreciate all comments so far but still not convinced it’s as straight forward as automatic Q plate.
I am not a insurance assessor so maybe we have similar criteria here,I realy don’t know,I have repaired a few cat n and cat s over the years and none of them was as lightly damaged as this was.
It's got everything to do with the UK.
You are trying to register something that was written off.
Look at this way, you Have a nice new car and it's stolen and not recovered, then some random tried to register it in Australia.
You want it to be some thing the Aussie authorities would be interested in
You are trying to register something that was written off.
Look at this way, you Have a nice new car and it's stolen and not recovered, then some random tried to register it in Australia.
You want it to be some thing the Aussie authorities would be interested in
ianhah said:
It’s been written off in Australia,what’s that got to do with the uk?
If this vehicle had this amount of damage here in the uk it would be classed as one of the four categories that we have and hand on heart in my opinion it would be the least one,meaning a note on the v5 that the vehicle has had a insurance claim or whatever it is.
The cause of total loss wouldn’t have been so in any other area in Australia apart from nsw where there criteria doesn’t allow for repairable write off categories,whereas there neighbouring states allow 2 categories,statutory write off and repairable write off,so different state different criteria and this is most certainly repairable apart from its status.
All technicalities I know and is the reason I have posted as someone somewhere may have been in a similar situation and maybe able to advise alternatives,even if it means yes it’s possible but needs such and such to sort it,I appreciate all comments so far but still not convinced it’s as straight forward as automatic Q plate.
I am not a insurance assessor so maybe we have similar criteria here,I realy don’t know,I have repaired a few cat n and cat s over the years and none of them was as lightly damaged as this was.
The issue for the write off here though is the Fire damage, Fire and Water damage over here will write a car off as a CAT A or B, If this vehicle had this amount of damage here in the uk it would be classed as one of the four categories that we have and hand on heart in my opinion it would be the least one,meaning a note on the v5 that the vehicle has had a insurance claim or whatever it is.
The cause of total loss wouldn’t have been so in any other area in Australia apart from nsw where there criteria doesn’t allow for repairable write off categories,whereas there neighbouring states allow 2 categories,statutory write off and repairable write off,so different state different criteria and this is most certainly repairable apart from its status.
All technicalities I know and is the reason I have posted as someone somewhere may have been in a similar situation and maybe able to advise alternatives,even if it means yes it’s possible but needs such and such to sort it,I appreciate all comments so far but still not convinced it’s as straight forward as automatic Q plate.
I am not a insurance assessor so maybe we have similar criteria here,I realy don’t know,I have repaired a few cat n and cat s over the years and none of them was as lightly damaged as this was.
If the vehicle was involved in a crash, then looking at the damage it would be repairable, and wouldnt have been written off, I suspect the reason it was written off in the first place was just due to the fire, and they wouldnt have written it off for that damage from a traffic collision.
You have a car here that has been written off due to a potential health or structure risk, how do you know that the heat hasnt damaged the structure to the point it would be dangerous in the event of a rear end shunt?
I think you have to either follow the DVLA process and hope you can get a new VIN assigned and it Q plated, or try and strip and sell for parts, and hope you make your money back.
Smurfsarepeopletoo said:
The issue for the write off here though is the Fire damage, Fire and Water damage over here will write a car off as a CAT A or B,
If the vehicle was involved in a crash, then looking at the damage it would be repairable, and wouldnt have been written off, I suspect the reason it was written off in the first place was just due to the fire, and they wouldnt have written it off for that damage from a traffic collision.
You have a car here that has been written off due to a potential health or structure risk, how do you know that the heat hasnt damaged the structure to the point it would be dangerous in the event of a rear end shunt?
I think you have to either follow the DVLA process and hope you can get a new VIN assigned and it Q plated, or try and strip and sell for parts, and hope you make your money back.
This is perfectly understandable,thank you,I didn’t know that fire damage over here no matter how minor would classify it as a or b and unfit to go back on the road.If the vehicle was involved in a crash, then looking at the damage it would be repairable, and wouldnt have been written off, I suspect the reason it was written off in the first place was just due to the fire, and they wouldnt have written it off for that damage from a traffic collision.
You have a car here that has been written off due to a potential health or structure risk, how do you know that the heat hasnt damaged the structure to the point it would be dangerous in the event of a rear end shunt?
I think you have to either follow the DVLA process and hope you can get a new VIN assigned and it Q plated, or try and strip and sell for parts, and hope you make your money back.
I don’t know that the heat hasn’t damaged it to the point where the structure is compromised,although I would have expected more damage than charred under seal to point to that severity if I am honest.
Ok maybe I can accept all of this if this is all so,at least it’s a reasonable explanation.
A new vin has been assigned should I wish to procceed down that route.
Surely a cat a or b over here would mean it can’t go back on the road,not even on a q plate though,does that mean you can change the vin number on cat a and b and reregister a UK car on a q?
ianhah said:
This is perfectly understandable,thank you,I didn’t know that fire damage over here no matter how minor would classify it as a or b and unfit to go back on the road.
I don’t know that the heat hasn’t damaged it to the point where the structure is compromised,although I would have expected more damage than charred under seal to point to that severity if I am honest.
Ok maybe I can accept all of this if this is all so,at least it’s a reasonable explanation.
A new vin has been assigned should I wish to procceed down that route.
Surely a cat a or b over here would mean it can’t go back on the road,not even on a q plate though,does that mean you can change the vin number on cat a and b and reregister a UK car on a q?
You shouldnt be able to put a car back on the road, however, I have dealt with a CAT B that had been put back on the road, and because it had been through MOT's then the insurers did deal with it, but the value of the vehicle is massively reduced, and I would imagine that the majority of people wouldnt wanna touch a CAT A/B Q Plate car.I don’t know that the heat hasn’t damaged it to the point where the structure is compromised,although I would have expected more damage than charred under seal to point to that severity if I am honest.
Ok maybe I can accept all of this if this is all so,at least it’s a reasonable explanation.
A new vin has been assigned should I wish to procceed down that route.
Surely a cat a or b over here would mean it can’t go back on the road,not even on a q plate though,does that mean you can change the vin number on cat a and b and reregister a UK car on a q?
PorkInsider said:
I would imagine the Q plate comes into it as an aside to it having a new VIN as that immediately throws doubt upon the vehicle's identity, by its very existence.
The fact you know the history and that it's got paperwork and a current VIN which all ties up is irrelevant to a large extent.
To get it on the road you're being told it needs a new VIN. Having a new VIN blurs the identity and means it will get a Q plate. I would think that's the end of the story.
Exactly.The fact you know the history and that it's got paperwork and a current VIN which all ties up is irrelevant to a large extent.
To get it on the road you're being told it needs a new VIN. Having a new VIN blurs the identity and means it will get a Q plate. I would think that's the end of the story.
In Australia, the car was given a Statutory write off classification (Australia's version of a CAT A/CAT B write off) - Therefore, it should never have been put back on the road, and should have been crushed.
The VIN has been recorded in Australia as the vehicle should be destroyed - Therefore the VIN no longer exists.
It doesn't matter if the OP agrees or disagrees with the car being given a Statutory write off classification - It's already happened.
The authorities aren't going to suddenly change their mind, and reinstate the original VIN number.
I also seriously doubt that in Australia, they have a much lower standard for declaring cars must be destroyed due to damage, than we have in the UK.
Someone in Australia/the UK has been up to no good when it comes to this vehicle, because it should no longer exist. They've acquired it as a "parts only car", and sold it on as damaged/repairable.
(The exact same thing happens here in the UK - Sometimes you see damaged cars being sold with a note in the description that states: "For export sale only". That's because the vehicle is a CAT A/CAT B write off, that can never go back on the road ever again in the UK, but if it's sold abroad, it won't show on a vehicle check, so the seller can make more money from it)
At the end of the day, the OP is trying to put a "CAT A/CAT B" write off from Australia, back on the road, not a "CAT N" write off
The OP is not going to like this part, but:
Personally, I find it disappointing that, having been informed by their Australian equivalent that the car should have been destroyed after being written off, the DVLA/DVSA are happy to allow the vehicle to be issued a new chassis number, and be used on UK roads, albeit on a "Q" plate. As far as I'm concerned, if the vehicle should have been officially destroyed in Australia, then it should no longer exist, and therefore shouldn't be put back on the road in the UK.
At least the DVLA/DVSA are sticking to their guns that if the car is given a new chassis number, it has to go on a "Q" plate because, this will be a blatant flag that all is not right with the car's past, to any future buyer.
Otherwise, it would be far too easy for someone (not necessarily the OP), to hide the cars past, and sell it on to an unsuspecting buyer, who would end up paying "undamaged" car money, for an insurance write off that shouldn't really exist.
Sorry if you've been duped OP, but if this car is allowed back on the road, I seriously hope it's on a "Q" plate.
Do you mind me asking are you a assessor ?
I would certainly be interested to hear from one.
Still can’t get my head round the fact that 3 blisters visible on paintwork is enough to write off a 630 mile 3 year old car.
I still don’t get why the vin number has to be changed,fair enough if it has to be a q plate,but why the vin number change when the vin is what the car was born with and has a traceable history so why reidentify it when the q plate would raise the flag anyhow?
In fact a new vin would then stop the history being traced wouldn’t it?
A lot of my situation would have been avoided if I had studied carefully before purchasing so only myself to blame,but now that I am in this position I am obviously attempting to see if anything possible can be done.
At present it’s had to have insurance on its vin number to allow it to be taxed when registered,obviously this costs much more than insuring a reg number,now I am going to have to cancel the policy and look for a new insurance cover on a new vin number to allow me to procceed with registration,this no doubt will be almost impossible to find and if found would likely be unaffordable,so I am better off at this stage finding my best option.
Don’t suppose anyone wants a track car 😄
I would certainly be interested to hear from one.
Still can’t get my head round the fact that 3 blisters visible on paintwork is enough to write off a 630 mile 3 year old car.
I still don’t get why the vin number has to be changed,fair enough if it has to be a q plate,but why the vin number change when the vin is what the car was born with and has a traceable history so why reidentify it when the q plate would raise the flag anyhow?
In fact a new vin would then stop the history being traced wouldn’t it?
A lot of my situation would have been avoided if I had studied carefully before purchasing so only myself to blame,but now that I am in this position I am obviously attempting to see if anything possible can be done.
At present it’s had to have insurance on its vin number to allow it to be taxed when registered,obviously this costs much more than insuring a reg number,now I am going to have to cancel the policy and look for a new insurance cover on a new vin number to allow me to procceed with registration,this no doubt will be almost impossible to find and if found would likely be unaffordable,so I am better off at this stage finding my best option.
Don’t suppose anyone wants a track car 😄
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