Post-brexit EU speeding fines
Discussion
Appreciate this has been bought up before, but multiple news outlets have today reported that due to brexit, keeper details can no longer be recovered from vehicle registration plates by the EU for UK cars and vice versa. This has been reported in The Times among other UK outlets: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-puts-pai... and Le Monde among other French outlets: https://www.lemonde.fr/m-styles/article/2021/01/12...
However, the deal seems to state that sharing of vehicle keeper information will continue, under the current grounds:
Article LAW.PRUM.15: Automated searching of vehicle registration data
1. For the prevention and investigation of criminal offences and in dealing with other offences
within the jurisdiction of the courts or a public prosecutor in the requesting State, as well as in
maintaining public security, States shall allow other States' national contact points, as referred to in
paragraph 2, access to the following domestic vehicle registration data, with the power to conduct
automated searches in individual cases:
(a) data relating to owners or operators; and
(b) data relating to vehicles.
2. Searches may be conducted under paragraph 1 only with a full chassis number or a full
registration number and in compliance with the requesting State's domestic law.
307
3. For the purposes of the supply of data as referred to in paragraph 1, the States shall
designate a national contact point for incoming requests from other States. The powers of the
national contact points shall be governed by the applicable domestic law.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF... page 306
So who's correct? Does the above include a loophole that I've missed that means keeper details can't be retrieved from speeding offences by camera? Do our friends in France now get to enjoy the autobahn-like qualities of our M1 and M6 motorways? Or should I expect some difficult letters in the post when I return to the UK?
However, the deal seems to state that sharing of vehicle keeper information will continue, under the current grounds:
Article LAW.PRUM.15: Automated searching of vehicle registration data
1. For the prevention and investigation of criminal offences and in dealing with other offences
within the jurisdiction of the courts or a public prosecutor in the requesting State, as well as in
maintaining public security, States shall allow other States' national contact points, as referred to in
paragraph 2, access to the following domestic vehicle registration data, with the power to conduct
automated searches in individual cases:
(a) data relating to owners or operators; and
(b) data relating to vehicles.
2. Searches may be conducted under paragraph 1 only with a full chassis number or a full
registration number and in compliance with the requesting State's domestic law.
307
3. For the purposes of the supply of data as referred to in paragraph 1, the States shall
designate a national contact point for incoming requests from other States. The powers of the
national contact points shall be governed by the applicable domestic law.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF... page 306
So who's correct? Does the above include a loophole that I've missed that means keeper details can't be retrieved from speeding offences by camera? Do our friends in France now get to enjoy the autobahn-like qualities of our M1 and M6 motorways? Or should I expect some difficult letters in the post when I return to the UK?
Edited by Gooly on Wednesday 13th January 12:14
CArmo123 said:
God I hope it goes back to the good old days where you could hand over an old, lost or out of date driving license to the French plod, wait for them to drive off, and then go back autoroute and nail it to Route Naploean or the Italian Riveria. Halcyon days of GT touring!
Recent experience (not mine) suggests that the French police in particular 'escort' you to the nearest cashpoint to ensure payment of fine, and confiscate vehicles for the more egregious offences....so the good old days won't come back even without cross-border detail sharing.
CArmo123 said:
God I hope it goes back to the good old days where you could hand over an old, lost or out of date driving license to the French plod, wait for them to drive off, and then go back autoroute and nail it to Route Naploean or the Italian Riveria. Halcyon days of GT touring!
Hopefully EU nationals can do the same here, I mean it's only fair isn't it.havoc said:
CArmo123 said:
God I hope it goes back to the good old days where you could hand over an old, lost or out of date driving license to the French plod, wait for them to drive off, and then go back autoroute and nail it to Route Naploean or the Italian Riveria. Halcyon days of GT touring!
Recent experience (not mine) suggests that the French police in particular 'escort' you to the nearest cashpoint to ensure payment of fine, and confiscate vehicles for the more egregious offences....so the good old days won't come back even without cross-border detail sharing.
Turns out it was just end of shift and they were wanting to go home!
Durzel said:
CArmo123 said:
God I hope it goes back to the good old days where you could hand over an old, lost or out of date driving license to the French plod, wait for them to drive off, and then go back autoroute and nail it to Route Naploean or the Italian Riveria. Halcyon days of GT touring!
Hopefully EU nationals can do the same here, I mean it's only fair isn't it.Aren't our fines a lot more reasonable too?
donkmeister said:
From my own experience, and therefore purely anecdotal, in the UK the cameras are made highly visible and the threshold before it counts is quite high, so you have to be pretty unobservant to get an automated ticket... But on the continent they are much less sporting.
Aren't our fines a lot more reasonable too?
Threshold / visibility - absolutely.Aren't our fines a lot more reasonable too?
Fines - depends...some EU countries have a 'sliding scale', with the lowest value in double-figures €.
This is already covered in the Trade Deal thread. The sharing of vehicle registration info continues. If an EU state wishes to enforce its speeding tickets it can obtain from the UK the info needed to do so. The UK can do likewise from a Eurostate.
Driving licence recognition is likely to be continuing. You will need a green card or modern equivalent from your insurer.
Mobile phone roaming charges are permitted but the major providers seem unlikely to charge them.
Driving licence recognition is likely to be continuing. You will need a green card or modern equivalent from your insurer.
Mobile phone roaming charges are permitted but the major providers seem unlikely to charge them.
There has been a story today in the French press; https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Brexit...
Breadvan72 said:
This is already covered in the Trade Deal thread. The sharing of vehicle registration info continues. If an EU state wishes to enforce its speeding tickets it can obtain from the UK the info needed to do so. The UK can do likewise from a Eurostate.
Driving licence recognition is likely to be continuing. You will need a green card or modern equivalent from your insurer.
Mobile phone roaming charges are permitted but the major providers seem unlikely to charge them.
Driving licences are recognised in EU27. IDP not required.Driving licence recognition is likely to be continuing. You will need a green card or modern equivalent from your insurer.
Mobile phone roaming charges are permitted but the major providers seem unlikely to charge them.
Must have GB sticker on the car if registration plate has a Euro flag. If union flag then GB sticker not required.
I noticed a few weeks ago that the trade agreement provides for cross border exchange of information for speeding and other offences.
agtlaw said:
Driving licences are recognised in EU27. IDP not required.
Must have GB sticker on the car if registration plate has a Euro flag. If union flag then GB sticker not required.
I noticed a few weeks ago that the trade agreement provides for cross border exchange of information for speeding and other offences.
Have been told that the old paper driving licences are not accepted only the later plastic photo card. Must have GB sticker on the car if registration plate has a Euro flag. If union flag then GB sticker not required.
I noticed a few weeks ago that the trade agreement provides for cross border exchange of information for speeding and other offences.
Have you seen anything to this effect. OH has paper licence.
I remember the old days, getting across to Calais then doing 120 all the way to wherever you were going. Occasionally got pulled in at the tolls to pay the €100 eur speeding tax, good times.
Always a lot of ‘vested’ interest on PH to say the arrangements are still in place at odds to what’s in the press. Let’s see how many tickets actually get issued later this year...
Always a lot of ‘vested’ interest on PH to say the arrangements are still in place at odds to what’s in the press. Let’s see how many tickets actually get issued later this year...
I have done a bit of digging around, and it appears that the source of the press reports may be that there is a pause pending implementation of the passages in the Trade Agreement that provide for cross border information sharing as to registered keeper. The press has in the usual not very accurate way bigged this up to the system being abandoned altogether.
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