Wtf what do I need to drive this?
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-Ford-F350/25474060...
2.8 ton weight according to google which I would say ok thats just a B class as its basically same weight as my Range Rover however it does have a almost 2 ton payload. I dont need this payload or plan to use it.
The logbook according to seller states no weights and just "plg". Google provides these numbers 4.5ton GVWR and 5.6 ton towing capacity.
Looking for a pickup to tow 3.5 ton, modern pickups didnt really hit that till 2012/10k+ price wise, this however would work if i can tow that much on my B+E.
2.8 ton weight according to google which I would say ok thats just a B class as its basically same weight as my Range Rover however it does have a almost 2 ton payload. I dont need this payload or plan to use it.
The logbook according to seller states no weights and just "plg". Google provides these numbers 4.5ton GVWR and 5.6 ton towing capacity.
Looking for a pickup to tow 3.5 ton, modern pickups didnt really hit that till 2012/10k+ price wise, this however would work if i can tow that much on my B+E.
You need a photo of the chassis plate
If you have a pre 97 b+e then the max plated train weight you can tow is up to 8250kg being a 7.5tomme lorry and an unbraked 750kg trailer.
Theoretically ou could downplate the f350 to 3.5tomme gross vehicle weight and a 3.5tonne trailer giving a gross train weight of 7tonne made up of a 2.8tonne vehicle, 700kg in the vehicle and 3500kg towed.
The chassis plate may already show this.
If you have a pre 97 b+e then the max plated train weight you can tow is up to 8250kg being a 7.5tomme lorry and an unbraked 750kg trailer.
Theoretically ou could downplate the f350 to 3.5tomme gross vehicle weight and a 3.5tonne trailer giving a gross train weight of 7tonne made up of a 2.8tonne vehicle, 700kg in the vehicle and 3500kg towed.
The chassis plate may already show this.
It will be OK towing forwards in a straight line, but it will be a pig to manoeuvre and reverse especially in confined spaces. It's probably got the turning circle of a battleship too.
A mate of mine tried a similar rig to tow a vehicle recovery trailer. He didnt keep it long and soon wet back to a Toyota Amazon Landcruiser which is the ideal towing vehicle for heavy loads.
A mate of mine tried a similar rig to tow a vehicle recovery trailer. He didnt keep it long and soon wet back to a Toyota Amazon Landcruiser which is the ideal towing vehicle for heavy loads.
Edited by sparkythecat on Friday 15th January 00:39
Slow said:
Just asked the seller to look for the chassis plate to see if it was downrated. I find it odd the logbook states no weights or anything which would give a clue as I bet it is easy to not be in the know and just buy it thinking stay under 3.5 when loaded and your good.
I always played the game, managing to tow small cars legally using a ‘B’, but I always thought you’d get away with breaking the towing laws. It’d have to be a pretty clued up traffic officer to identify minor indiscretions. I did my B+e in the end so that I wouldn’t have to fret about it so much when changing cars or borrowing trailers.
Thing is you could get away with it for years or you could lose everything if you have an accident and the police and insurance companies get interested.
If you want to be legal, you need a C+e. Two reasons;
-towing vehicle MAM greater than 3,500kg
-trailer weight such that the train weight will massively exceed the 3,500kg / 4,250kg permissible as a maximum on a ‘B’.
R0G in the towing thread is something of an authority on these rules, you have his answer, cross posting like this suggests to me that you’re just looking for somebody to tell you it’s fine when it definitely isn’t for several reasons.
Towing thread is full of people concerned that their Octavia etc is too heavy and you’re pitching up with a train weight of eight tonnes!
HustleRussell said:
I always played the game, managing to tow small cars legally using a ‘B’, but I always thought you’d get away with breaking the towing laws. It’d have to be a pretty clued up traffic officer to identify minor indiscretions.
I did my B+e in the end so that I wouldn’t have to fret about it so much when changing cars or borrowing trailers.
Thing is you could get away with it for years or you could lose everything if you have an accident and the police and insurance companies get interested.
If you want to be legal, you need a C+e. Two reasons;
-towing vehicle MAM greater than 3,500kg
-trailer weight such that the train weight will massively exceed the 3,500kg / 4,250kg permissible as a maximum on a ‘B’.
R0G in the towing thread is something of an authority on these rules, you have his answer, cross posting like this suggests to me that you’re just looking for somebody to tell you it’s fine when it definitely isn’t for several reasons.
Towing thread is full of people concerned that their Octavia etc is too heavy and you’re pitching up with a train weight of eight tonnes!
I realise if it isnt downplated it is miles over now it has been explained about the chassis plate, but without the logbook stating weights I wasnt sure if it was a case of as per weight when pulled over. I did my B+e in the end so that I wouldn’t have to fret about it so much when changing cars or borrowing trailers.
Thing is you could get away with it for years or you could lose everything if you have an accident and the police and insurance companies get interested.
If you want to be legal, you need a C+e. Two reasons;
-towing vehicle MAM greater than 3,500kg
-trailer weight such that the train weight will massively exceed the 3,500kg / 4,250kg permissible as a maximum on a ‘B’.
R0G in the towing thread is something of an authority on these rules, you have his answer, cross posting like this suggests to me that you’re just looking for somebody to tell you it’s fine when it definitely isn’t for several reasons.
Towing thread is full of people concerned that their Octavia etc is too heavy and you’re pitching up with a train weight of eight tonnes!
I have previously been running at a 7ton train weight with a loaded Range Rover towing a Range Rover on a plant trailer so a 8 ton weight doesnt sound too bad haha.
I now need a pickup truck so sadly the large towing capacity cheap 4x4s are gone. Passed my trailer test at 19 and debating just getting my stupid c1 test when lockdown is finished to not worry about this stuff in the future. We used to own a ex army truck I wasnt able to drive due to my age but my mother could!
I ruin my cars with dings/dents/offroad abuse so trying to get the cheapest way into a pickup towing 3.5 ton and I really dont want another defender.
sparkythecat said:
It will be OK towing forwards in a straight line, but it will be a pig to manoeuvre and reverse especially in confined spaces. It's probably got the turning circle of a battleship too.
A mate of mine tried a similar rig to tow a vehicle recovery trailer. He didnt keep it long and soon wet back to a Toyota Amazon Landcruiser which is the ideal towing vehicle for heavy loads.
I need a pickup or I would keep my Range Rover!A mate of mine tried a similar rig to tow a vehicle recovery trailer. He didnt keep it long and soon wet back to a Toyota Amazon Landcruiser which is the ideal towing vehicle for heavy loads.
Edited by sparkythecat on Friday 15th January 00:39
Its all for countryside use in the empty highlands of Scotland so space hopefully shouldnt be an issue
Slow said:
Guy came back to me saying there is a metallic sticker which just says 6198lbs (2.8ton) which is the weight of it with no mention of anything else. He can’t see a chassis plate anywhere on it.
Not sure if it helps but I imported a dodge ram in 2006 and had it SVA'd ? when doing this, part of the test was a plate had to be permanently fixed to a visible area ( the door edge in my case ) the plate had to include gross weights axles weights and towing max weight etc,this allowed it to be SVA'd as a commercial. no need to change the rear lights red indicators etc and no need for the repeat indicators on the wings.I have noticed on this one it has the side repeaters not sure on the rear lights which may point to it being imported as a car, not sure if that makes any difference to the towing weights. or if it actually affects anything.
robwilk said:
Slow said:
Guy came back to me saying there is a metallic sticker which just says 6198lbs (2.8ton) which is the weight of it with no mention of anything else. He can’t see a chassis plate anywhere on it.
Not sure if it helps but I imported a dodge ram in 2006 and had it SVA'd ? when doing this, part of the test was a plate had to be permanently fixed to a visible area ( the door edge in my case ) the plate had to include gross weights axles weights and towing max weight etc,this allowed it to be SVA'd as a commercial. no need to change the rear lights red indicators etc and no need for the repeat indicators on the wings.I have noticed on this one it has the side repeaters not sure on the rear lights which may point to it being imported as a car, not sure if that makes any difference to the towing weights. or if it actually affects anything.
Slow said:
Guy came back to me saying there is a metallic sticker which just says 6198lbs (2.8ton) which is the weight of it with no mention of anything else. He can’t see a chassis plate anywhere on it.
Im pretty certain because its American, they dont care about things like weight limits. Just drive whatever, because 'murica. I wouldnt expect a detailed breakdown of various weights like us. Gareth79 said:
robwilk said:
Slow said:
Guy came back to me saying there is a metallic sticker which just says 6198lbs (2.8ton) which is the weight of it with no mention of anything else. He can’t see a chassis plate anywhere on it.
Not sure if it helps but I imported a dodge ram in 2006 and had it SVA'd ? when doing this, part of the test was a plate had to be permanently fixed to a visible area ( the door edge in my case ) the plate had to include gross weights axles weights and towing max weight etc,this allowed it to be SVA'd as a commercial. no need to change the rear lights red indicators etc and no need for the repeat indicators on the wings.I have noticed on this one it has the side repeaters not sure on the rear lights which may point to it being imported as a car, not sure if that makes any difference to the towing weights. or if it actually affects anything.
The only problems where the plate with the weights on and a loose cable from the block heater ( it was from Canada)
so the modifications cost £10 to get a plate made and i pop riveted it to the door and cabled tied the heater cable up.
No mods to the lights what so ever.
Your options are: plate it down to 3.5t and drive it on a car licence or leave it at 4.8t or whatever and drive it on a grandfathered C1 entitlement, or take a C1 (or more sensibly C, which gives you C1 and costs the same) test.
If you want to pull a trailer youll need a C1+E to add to the above if you do not downplate it.
If you want to pull a trailer youll need a C1+E to add to the above if you do not downplate it.
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