Scammed twice in 2 days.
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Just had a call from my girlfriend whos rather worried and pissed off this morning after receiving 2 nips from the worthy individuals in South Wales ‘Safety’ Camera Partnership. They were over the weekend on 2nd and 3rd of July both for 62 in a 50 on the M4 near Port Talbot. I can only assume they were in a temp limit.
Now the rub is apart from the possibility of the 6 points and £120 donation she has only had a full UK licence for 8 months having lived in the US for 20 years up to that point. Is she likely to have to do a retest in the same way a young new driver would ? Any thoughts for the next move on her part.
cheers
Guy
Now the rub is apart from the possibility of the 6 points and £120 donation she has only had a full UK licence for 8 months having lived in the US for 20 years up to that point. Is she likely to have to do a retest in the same way a young new driver would ? Any thoughts for the next move on her part.
cheers
Guy
If she's recently taken a test in the UK then I think she'll be in trouble. If she's swapped her licence then it's ok - see http://dvla.gov.uk/drivers/endorsem.htm section 6.
There is a permanent 50mph section on the M4 around Briton Ferry bridge and also the flyover over Port Talbot. It's been like that for a long long time, and I believe there are fixed Gatsos on that stretch...
There is a permanent 50mph section on the M4 around Briton Ferry bridge and also the flyover over Port Talbot. It's been like that for a long long time, and I believe there are fixed Gatsos on that stretch...
Just got a copy of the nips and looked at an atlas, I know the area, youre right about the perm 50 limit and I know there are a couple of wealth depriving cameras there which according to my snooper are always in collection mode.. Most lucrative! 
Shes not positive at this stage who was driving as it was a jolly weekend away with pals and while she did most the others helped out. I guess demanding the photo evidence will be in order to see if that helps.
Thanks for that link Puggit, it looks like as it was US licence and she has to actually take a test here it puts her in teh same boat as the new drivers.
Does anyone know if due to the circumstances it could be worth taking it to court due to the fact that 2 scams in quick succession will result in licence loss.
Shes not positive at this stage who was driving as it was a jolly weekend away with pals and while she did most the others helped out. I guess demanding the photo evidence will be in order to see if that helps.
Thanks for that link Puggit, it looks like as it was US licence and she has to actually take a test here it puts her in teh same boat as the new drivers.
Does anyone know if due to the circumstances it could be worth taking it to court due to the fact that 2 scams in quick succession will result in licence loss.
ariel said:
My partner was scammed twice in two days as well. Up 'till then she subscibed to the "speed kills" mantra. Funnily enough, she is a complete cynic with regard to the policing on the roads now
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hehe.. same here.. shes always taking the piss over the amount of electronic crap on my car .. may well get some of her own now !
I was thinking along the same lines 
and yes she does.
If she was to send in the US licence by mistake what would happen ????
The other thought was that the US licence entitles her to drive for up to a year without taking the test here. She travels to an fro from the US quite a lot so I assume that 'one year' get renewed each time so could she drive under that one even though the UK had reverted back to provisional??
and yes she does. If she was to send in the US licence by mistake what would happen ????
The other thought was that the US licence entitles her to drive for up to a year without taking the test here. She travels to an fro from the US quite a lot so I assume that 'one year' get renewed each time so could she drive under that one even though the UK had reverted back to provisional??
The time difference between the two offences if off putting
If very, very close together and the distance you could have written back to Piggy Bank stating that there is duplicity as only one offence committed which you are prepared to hold your hand up to????????????
Alas poor Yorick......
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Wednesday 13th July 14:38
If very, very close together and the distance you could have written back to Piggy Bank stating that there is duplicity as only one offence committed which you are prepared to hold your hand up to????????????
Alas poor Yorick......
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Wednesday 13th July 14:38
The 62 mph does sound a little odd but I think it was just coincidence.
The offences were from 2 cameras about a mile apart and almost 24 hours apart.
The whole idea of that you can effectively loose your licence under totting without actually knowing about it does rather stink...
DVD, any thoughts on the US licence thing or should you not really comment
The offences were from 2 cameras about a mile apart and almost 24 hours apart.
The whole idea of that you can effectively loose your licence under totting without actually knowing about it does rather stink...
DVD, any thoughts on the US licence thing or should you not really comment
Dwight VanDriver said:
>>>>>>DVD, any thoughts on the US licence thing or should you not really comment <<<<<<<
Before researching can you confirm how she aquired the UK Licence - swap or by sitting test in UK?
DVD
Thanks for coming back
She got the UK licence last year by taking the UK test just as if she was a new driver. Apparently the US licences allow Full UK licence ‘rights’ for 12 months but arnt then transferable in the way EU ones are without taking the test.
She has dual UK and US nationality but lives here most of the time now hence deciding to take the test last year. She does travel to and from the US several times a year and her US licence is still valid until 2007. I was wondering if she had even needed to get a UK licence at this stage as she is never actually in the country for the full 12 months in a year, following those lines could she still rely on the US licence even if the new UK reverted back to Prov.
Guy
As I see it:
Firstly ignoring her UK Licence for the moment -
If she was a visitor to UK then she can drive for 1 year on her current USA Domestic licence providing it covers that class of vehicle. If she leaves the country then the 1 year will kick in again on return.
She could, as a resident, also drive for 1 year on the US Licence during which time she could obtain Prov Licence with view for taking test before year ends and not be subect to the conditions of PL i.e. L plates etc.
If she were to accept the Conditional offers on her USA Licence then when she comes to pay it will not be accepted as UK Licence (at the moment) which has to be produced. There is no provision for applying the points to a USA Licence so Mags Clerks would refuse, then notify Police and cases would be taken to Court where she would be dealt with, fined and allocated points which would be created on a skelton record at DVLC. Under these normal circumstances (i.e. US Licence only)then she would not be disqualified as a New driver. BUT (with Big capital B)when the skelton record was created at DVLC they find they already have a record of her UK Driving Licence. Warning bells flash and back to New Drivers disqualification. It is possible I suppose that they could create the skelton alongside the substantive record but I would think doubtful.
As you say the US Licence is not one that can be exchanged without a test (like a Canadian) and as she sat and passed the UK test only 8 months ago she is still in the probationary period as outlined under Road Traffic New Drivers Act, 1995 which is defined as a period of 2 years from date she became a qualified driver on the FIRST OCCASION when she passed a test of competence.
Not quiet sure what happens if she uses the UK Licence with the Conditional Offers. Either the Mags Clerks will refuse and have the matters dealt with at Court or they accept and then she may get a letter from Sec of State revoking her Licence under the New Drivers Act.
So it looks as if she could be booked for Court but one way or the other her Licence revoked (note not a disqualification in the true terms). She reverts to the status of a Learner Driver and all that entails until she passes another test.
DVD
Firstly ignoring her UK Licence for the moment -
If she was a visitor to UK then she can drive for 1 year on her current USA Domestic licence providing it covers that class of vehicle. If she leaves the country then the 1 year will kick in again on return.
She could, as a resident, also drive for 1 year on the US Licence during which time she could obtain Prov Licence with view for taking test before year ends and not be subect to the conditions of PL i.e. L plates etc.
If she were to accept the Conditional offers on her USA Licence then when she comes to pay it will not be accepted as UK Licence (at the moment) which has to be produced. There is no provision for applying the points to a USA Licence so Mags Clerks would refuse, then notify Police and cases would be taken to Court where she would be dealt with, fined and allocated points which would be created on a skelton record at DVLC. Under these normal circumstances (i.e. US Licence only)then she would not be disqualified as a New driver. BUT (with Big capital B)when the skelton record was created at DVLC they find they already have a record of her UK Driving Licence. Warning bells flash and back to New Drivers disqualification. It is possible I suppose that they could create the skelton alongside the substantive record but I would think doubtful.
As you say the US Licence is not one that can be exchanged without a test (like a Canadian) and as she sat and passed the UK test only 8 months ago she is still in the probationary period as outlined under Road Traffic New Drivers Act, 1995 which is defined as a period of 2 years from date she became a qualified driver on the FIRST OCCASION when she passed a test of competence.
Not quiet sure what happens if she uses the UK Licence with the Conditional Offers. Either the Mags Clerks will refuse and have the matters dealt with at Court or they accept and then she may get a letter from Sec of State revoking her Licence under the New Drivers Act.
So it looks as if she could be booked for Court but one way or the other her Licence revoked (note not a disqualification in the true terms). She reverts to the status of a Learner Driver and all that entails until she passes another test.
DVD
Panic over !!!!!! well sort of
It seem that one of the other drivers thinks they may have been flashed and is prepared to hold their hand up .. so it wont be licence loosing at this stage but will certainly concentrate her mind for the rest of the probationary period !
Many thanks DVD for that info, it doesnt look like its come to it this time but its useful to know in the future.
thanks again
Guy
It seem that one of the other drivers thinks they may have been flashed and is prepared to hold their hand up .. so it wont be licence loosing at this stage but will certainly concentrate her mind for the rest of the probationary period !
Many thanks DVD for that info, it doesnt look like its come to it this time but its useful to know in the future.
thanks again
Guy
bryan35 said:
Hold on a minute. Does that mean that everyone in the photo got an NIP, but because on of them has owned up they forget about the rest?
Am I missing something?
Sorry, when I said drivers I meant one that was driving the car that w/e. It was a girls weekend away and as it was a long trip they shared the driving.
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