Unadopted road council No access painted at the entrance

[Vanden Saab]

Bit of a strange one this. We have easement to access our parking and garage from an unadopted road. Apparently the developers built the pavement wrong so the council would not adopt it although they did put up street lamps. at the entrance there is a council painted No Access sign. We have a problem with people parking on the pavement and blocking the entrance to our drive to drop their children at the school which is in a nearby street.
Can anybody explain what if anything we can do about it and if they actually have the right to be there bearing in mind the No Access sign?

[Durzel]

Since when do parents dropping off kids obey any rules of the road?

If they're parking on your drive - bollard(s).

If they're parking on the pavement and there's no double yellow lines (or even if there is), probably not a whole lot you can do in practice.

[Psycho Warren]

If its the grass verge, a few dark green painted rocks dumped on the edge should do the trick.

[Vanden Saab]

anonymous said:

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Sometimes the simplest answer is the one you never think of... TY,

[konark]

At the risk of appearing stupid what does 'no access' mean, particularly when the street seems to be a culdesac and is full of vehicles.

[Semmelweiss]

konark said:

At the risk of appearing stupid what does 'no access' mean, particularly when the street seems to be a culdesac and is full of vehicles.

Looks like a bit of not-half-bad unofficial painting.

[Andeh1]

Wrote to the school with photo evidence, write to your mp with photograph evidence.

Request a meeting with headteacher during the worst days for it 'on site',) et them deal with it, which they probably will.

[PaulD86]

Vanden Saab said:

at the entrance there is a council painted No Access sign.

I usually hate the PH way of automatically having to question the OP, however I do have to question this. From professional experience I would think this highly unlikely. If nothing else, councils don't go round painting on private assets. Both words should also be on the left hand side of the road (otherwise if there was a vehicle leaving the road the sign would just read "no".

Just to pick up on something else you mention as it causes a lot of confusion; it is not at all unusual to have adopted street lighting on a private road. Often people believe a road to be adopted due to the presence of council maintained lighting, however this assumption should not be made.

[98elise]

PaulD86 said:

Vanden Saab said:

at the entrance there is a council painted No Access sign.

I usually hate the PH way of automatically having to question the OP, however I do have to question this. From professional experience I would think this highly unlikely. If nothing else, councils don't go round painting on private assets. Both words should also be on the left hand side of the road (otherwise if there was a vehicle leaving the road the sign would just read "no".

Just to pick up on something else you mention as it causes a lot of confusion; it is not at all unusual to have adopted street lighting on a private road. Often people believe a road to be adopted due to the presence of council maintained lighting, however this assumption should not be made.

Agreed, it just looks odd. I find it hard to believe it's official.

[anonymous-user]

PaulD86 said:

Vanden Saab said:

at the entrance there is a council painted No Access sign.

I usually hate the PH way of automatically having to question the OP, however I do have to question this. From professional experience I would think this highly unlikely. If nothing else, councils don't go round painting on private assets. Both words should also be on the left hand side of the road (otherwise if there was a vehicle leaving the road the sign would just read "no".

It could be read as
'NO' on the left
And
'Access' on the right.
Depending on how you read it, in direct contradiction of what the 'official' road markings actually say.

Looks like a lovely home made PH style painting job
Why do knobbers buy houses near schools and stations etc then complain when it gets busy ? What did they expect the outcome of their stupidity to be

[SS2.]

konark said:

At the risk of appearing stupid what does 'no access' mean, particularly when the street seems to be a culdesac and is full of vehicles.

It's a local road, for locals.

[Parbold milkperson]

Vanden Saab said:

Bit of a strange one this. We have easement to access our parking and garage from an unadopted road. Apparently the developers built the pavement wrong so the council would not adopt it although they did put up street lamps. at the entrance there is a council painted No Access sign. We have a problem with people parking on the pavement and blocking the entrance to our drive to drop their children at the school which is in a nearby street.
Can anybody explain what if anything we can do about it and if they actually have the right to be there bearing in mind the No Access sign?

The spacing between the NO and access is not professional done. So not legal

[oakdale]

The sign actually encourages drivers to enter peartree lane on the wrong side of the road.

[J1990]

Andeh1 said:

Wrote to the school with photo evidence, write to your mp with photograph evidence.

Request a meeting with headteacher during the worst days for it 'on site',) et them deal with it, which they probably will.

I think this is overlooking the fact that the parents likely don't give a st, any time you drive past a school during arrival/departure times the whole palce is bustling, every double yellow line has a chelsea tractor parked on it and zero care is given with regards to access to properties, restriction of visibility for kids crossing the road etc.

[anonymous-user]

I was thinking the same, the sign doesn't look professional and in this context means absolutely nothing. If the road is unadopted doesn't that make it a private road therefore it would need private residents only signs? not that it would stop parents parking

[Durzel]

SS2. said:

konark said:

At the risk of appearing stupid what does 'no access' mean, particularly when the street seems to be a culdesac and is full of vehicles.

It's a local road, for locals.

We'll have no parking here!

[JeffreyD]

We've got a similar situation and in the end there isn't much you can do. As soon as you stop one offender another takes their place.

Over 10 years I've gone nuclear a couple of times ( basically blocked a whole car park in and made them wait for me to come back when I can be arsed) but it didn't really solve anything.

[Vanden Saab]

MonkeyMatt said:

I was thinking the same, the sign doesn't look professional and in this context means absolutely nothing. If the road is unadopted doesn't that make it a private road therefore it would need private residents only signs? not that it would stop parents parking

I think the contractors that resurfaced the road and did the road markings less than 3 months ago might be a little upset at your slur... The private bit starts where the brick paving does. As a matter of interest I was not complaining as such but was interested in the legalities of parking on a pavement on a private road... Hence liking the idea of parking there myself...

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

MonkeyMatt said:

I was thinking the same, the sign doesn't look professional and in this context means absolutely nothing. If the road is unadopted doesn't that make it a private road therefore it would need private residents only signs? not that it would stop parents parking

I think the contractors that resurfaced the road and did the road markings less than 3 months ago might be a little upset at your slur... The private bit starts where the brick paving does. As a matter of interest I was not complaining as such but was interested in the legalities of parking on a pavement on a private road... Hence liking the idea of parking there myself...

They can be upset all they want, its a bad job and doesn't do as intended (I deal with contractors on a daily basis). My point is if people are not aware it is a private road (or is it just unadopted) they will continue to drive and park down it. The public usually has the right to freely pass along any unadopted road, which differs from private roads, where only the owner and those with permission can use them. Is the road private or just unadopted? If just unadopted I believe normal rules around parking would apply, private would be different

[Vanden Saab]

It is not a public highway according to the maps I have seen but there is a public footpath along it apparently the developer had a dispute over pavement sizes so the council would not adopt it. That probably means more to you than myself. We have an easement to use it to access our drive and garage.