No speeding bans if you work in Pharma...
No speeding bans if you work in Pharma...
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Newton472

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165 posts

71 months

SiH

1,858 posts

276 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Not ideal but people avoid bans for far more trivial reasons so I don't have a massive problem with this. Hopefully she'll learn her lesson!
Edited to add that if her role is what I think it is then her claim of potentially having an impact on vaccine production is legitimate (though naturally this would be a very short-term issue as someone else would be brought in to replace her very quickly if needed!)

Edited by SiH on Wednesday 12th May 09:07

coldel

11,077 posts

175 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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This is normal, if anyone is caught speeding facing a ban but for instance they are a carer for example and it would adversely affect the care of the people in their charge if they couldnt drive they would avoid a ban. But then that isnt news is it.

That said, the speed is stupid and dangerous and the fine is no where near enough.

speedking31

3,913 posts

165 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Seems flawed logic to me.

The Porsche mechanic who maintains her car is key to her getting to work, as is the person who makes his sandwiches for daily lunch, as are the people that maintain the roads that enable her to drive to work, etc. etc. We all have a part to play. Are they al to be given a pass as well?

Surely if she is so key then her employer would fund either a driver or taxis?

coldel

11,077 posts

175 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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I guess it depends on how quickly could Oxford replace her? If she got banned and it would take 3-6 months to replace her hiring from outside vs the Porsche mechanic who is probably one of ten guys at the Porsche garage who could fix her car?

jimmytheone

2,006 posts

247 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Why would she get a ban with only 6 points? Unless she's a new driver?

57 in a 30 limit is taking the piss though, (I dont know the road/location) but 6pts and £800 fine seems about right.

Nurburgsingh

5,538 posts

267 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Or she could get a train abs and a cab to get to work like lots of other people do

coldel

11,077 posts

175 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Well whatever, issue is its a complete non news story and as usual the media getting into a tizz about trying to land a punch on pharma those awful bad guys. But it really isn't a news story and people get away with bans regularly due to work issues across many industries, this story is designed purely to drum up some sort of viral response, clearly its worked!

Pica-Pica

16,569 posts

113 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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jimmytheone said:
Why would she get a ban with only 6 points? Unless she's a new driver?

57 in a 30 limit is taking the piss though, (I dont know the road/location) but 6pts and £800 fine seems about right.
Agree. 57 is not just taking the piss, the kinetic energy is 3.6 times that at 30.The points will stay on for some time (4+ years?). Insurance will go up. There will be no opportunity for a speed awareness course any time while those endorsements are there.

PorkInsider

6,584 posts

170 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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It reads to me as if they're saying her employment contract requires her to have a licence and therefore if she got a ban she'd be sacked and so that 'could' affect vaccine production.

Surely in that scenario the correct course of action is for her employer to waive the contract clause, if she's so vital to them, rather than the courts to waive the ban.

donkmeister

12,853 posts

129 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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speedking31 said:
Surely if she is so key then her employer would fund either a driver or taxis?
That was my thinking too...
Plus, does her job even require her to be on-site every day? I've never worked in Pharma but I'm pretty sure someone in her position isn't physically testing batches.

The only consideration I can think of is that she might be on 24 hour call to come and deal with quality emergencies so the line doesn't get held up.

Is there such a thing as a provisional ban? Where you can only drive in very specific circumstances?

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

96 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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The offence seems quite egregious for special consideration, I mean it isn't a lapse in concentration is it.

Maybe if I get nicked in the van I should claim I install sockets etc to enable people to isolate and wfh

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

260 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Risky strategy, and she quite possibly went for it without thinking it through. I suspect once AZ HR see the articles, there may well be Zoom meetings without coffee in her immediate future, especially if she's NOT critical to the production.

Oilchange

9,702 posts

289 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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I think options open to the magistrate might have been a short ban and a fine or points and a fine.
If the person has pleaded guilty, shows remorse and asks to retain their licence, giving, in the opinion of the magistrate, a good enough explanation as to why, then the magistrate can opt for points. As happened here.

SS2.

14,709 posts

267 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Pica-Pica said:
There will be no opportunity for a speed awareness course any time while those endorsements are there.
Existing penalty points is not a bar to attending an awareness course.

dudleybloke

20,553 posts

215 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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She's earning enough to get a taxi to work and back.

SS2.

14,709 posts

267 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Oilchange said:
I think options open to the magistrate might have been a short ban and a fine or points and a fine.

<..snip..>

As happened here.
Quite.

Not sure why many on here seem to think that the speed would have meant a ban was the most likely outcome, anyway.

agtlaw

7,397 posts

235 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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jimmytheone said:
Why would she get a ban with only 6 points? Unless she's a new driver?

57 in a 30 limit is taking the piss though, (I dont know the road/location) but 6pts and £800 fine seems about right.
It’s obvious from the article that she had 6 or more relevant penalty points and this was a ‘totting up’ case.

The fine was £660.

agtlaw

7,397 posts

235 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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donkmeister said:
Is there such a thing as a provisional ban? Where you can only drive in very specific circumstances?
I think that is available in some US states. E.g. banned from driving except to and from work. That’s not an option here.

irc

9,799 posts

165 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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57 in 30 with 6 PTS already. Deserves a ban for stupidity.