What is the longest someone has been held on remand?
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https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/19307876.pr...
I'm pretty much obsessed with this case. She was in court again today for a case management hearing but it's been put back until later this week due to technical issues with the video link.
As per the thread title - does anyone know what the longest period on remand anyone ever spent was? Lucy Letby was charged in November 2020 and has been remanded ever since. The trial was due to start in January 2022 but today has been put back to July 2022. She'll have been remanded at that point for 20 months or thereabouts. Is this approaching any sort of record for the UK as this seems like an awfully long time.
Also, due to Covid the length of time someone can be held on remand had been extended to 283 days. This will expire around 7th July. What happens then? Is there some procedure to extend that time as it seems unlikely that they'll want to release her.
I'm pretty much obsessed with this case. She was in court again today for a case management hearing but it's been put back until later this week due to technical issues with the video link.
As per the thread title - does anyone know what the longest period on remand anyone ever spent was? Lucy Letby was charged in November 2020 and has been remanded ever since. The trial was due to start in January 2022 but today has been put back to July 2022. She'll have been remanded at that point for 20 months or thereabouts. Is this approaching any sort of record for the UK as this seems like an awfully long time.
Also, due to Covid the length of time someone can be held on remand had been extended to 283 days. This will expire around 7th July. What happens then? Is there some procedure to extend that time as it seems unlikely that they'll want to release her.
If there is compelling evidence and its pretty much a slam dunk conviction then who gives a f
k?
Any other case then there should be reasonable limits to ensure "prompt" justice. Would be pretty stty if locked up for basically years and then found not guilty. I don't think prisoners get big money pay outs in the UK for time served when innocent either?
k? Any other case then there should be reasonable limits to ensure "prompt" justice. Would be pretty s
tty if locked up for basically years and then found not guilty. I don't think prisoners get big money pay outs in the UK for time served when innocent either? Psycho Warren said:
If there is compelling evidence and its pretty much a slam dunk conviction then who gives a fk?
Generally agree but the huge length of time it's already been ongoing for, the fact that none of these deaths were even flagged as suspicious for a couple of years and that a trial isn't even starting for more than a year, and it will take at least 6 months, tends to strongly suggest that there wont be any "slam-dunk" conviction! k? COVID will be the get out of jail card for the prosecutors (pun intended!).
Otherwise, if the evidence was circumstantial or weak, you could easily argue that locking someone up for 18 months plus is excessive and not reasonable. Especially as if innocent, we have no compo in this country and her career, pension etc will have been ruined.
Otherwise, if the evidence was circumstantial or weak, you could easily argue that locking someone up for 18 months plus is excessive and not reasonable. Especially as if innocent, we have no compo in this country and her career, pension etc will have been ruined.
I’m sure there was a bloke in Brixton who was in there on remand for getting on for a decade. No doubt the devil is in the detail.
ETA here we go, Manfred Zachel... https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/oct/14/humanri...
ETA here we go, Manfred Zachel... https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/oct/14/humanri...
the grauniad in 2004 said:
This is Manfred Zachel, a 68-year-old man of German origin, who this week began his eighth year on remand in Brixton prison in south London.
Mr Zachel, who is fighting his extradition to South Africa, where he is wanted on fraud and sexual charges, is the longest-serving prisoner being held without trial in the UK.
Mr Zachel, who is fighting his extradition to South Africa, where he is wanted on fraud and sexual charges, is the longest-serving prisoner being held without trial in the UK.
Edited by bigandclever on Monday 17th May 17:31
I actually found the case of the Brixton guy just after I'd originally posed the question. That's a little bit different though as he was specifically fighting an extradition proceeding rather than being remanded in relation to a criminal proceeding.
Edited by AJL308 on Monday 17th May 17:46
bigandclever said:
I’m sure there was a bloke in Brixton who was in there on remand for getting on for a decade. No doubt the devil is in the detail.
ETA here we go, Manfred Zachel... https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/oct/14/humanri...
I imagine he'll run out of money for lawyers at some point and then be extradited regardless, so may as well get on with it?ETA here we go, Manfred Zachel... https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/oct/14/humanri...
the grauniad in 2004 said:
This is Manfred Zachel, a 68-year-old man of German origin, who this week began his eighth year on remand in Brixton prison in south London.
Mr Zachel, who is fighting his extradition to South Africa, where he is wanted on fraud and sexual charges, is the longest-serving prisoner being held without trial in the UK.
Mr Zachel, who is fighting his extradition to South Africa, where he is wanted on fraud and sexual charges, is the longest-serving prisoner being held without trial in the UK.
Edited by bigandclever on Monday 17th May 17:31
Psycho Warren said:
If there is compelling evidence and its pretty much a slam dunk conviction then who gives a fk?
Any other case then there should be reasonable limits to ensure "prompt" justice. Would be pretty stty if locked up for basically years and then found not guilty. I don't think prisoners get big money pay outs in the UK for time served when innocent either?
Legally 56 days for a summary offence and 70 days for a triable offence but the government swept away the restrictions in response to covid.k? Any other case then there should be reasonable limits to ensure "prompt" justice. Would be pretty s
tty if locked up for basically years and then found not guilty. I don't think prisoners get big money pay outs in the UK for time served when innocent either? So from the latest figures (dec 2020), over 3500 people, around 1 in 3 remand prisoners have been held longer, of those over 2500 are longer than 8 months. In covid, that's 23hrs a day locked up. A little over 12,000 people are held on remand, an increase of 22% since the start of covid.
As most people have a vague sense of innocent until to proven guilty, currently 1 in 7 prisoners are being held without trial and about 1 in 10 of those are statistical likely to be found not guilty
AJL308 said:
https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/19307876.pr...
I'm pretty much obsessed with this case. She was in court again today for a case management hearing but it's been put back until later this week due to technical issues with the video link.
As per the thread title - does anyone know what the longest period on remand anyone ever spent was? Lucy Letby was charged in November 2020 and has been remanded ever since. The trial was due to start in January 2022 but today has been put back to July 2022. She'll have been remanded at that point for 20 months or thereabouts. Is this approaching any sort of record for the UK as this seems like an awfully long time.
Also, due to Covid the length of time someone can be held on remand had been extended to 283 days. This will expire around 7th July. What happens then? Is there some procedure to extend that time as it seems unlikely that they'll want to release her.
It’s now October 2022 which seems an extremely long time. Apparently there’s reporting restrictions so others obviously know a lot more and seem ok with this. I'm pretty much obsessed with this case. She was in court again today for a case management hearing but it's been put back until later this week due to technical issues with the video link.
As per the thread title - does anyone know what the longest period on remand anyone ever spent was? Lucy Letby was charged in November 2020 and has been remanded ever since. The trial was due to start in January 2022 but today has been put back to July 2022. She'll have been remanded at that point for 20 months or thereabouts. Is this approaching any sort of record for the UK as this seems like an awfully long time.
Also, due to Covid the length of time someone can be held on remand had been extended to 283 days. This will expire around 7th July. What happens then? Is there some procedure to extend that time as it seems unlikely that they'll want to release her.
vikingaero said:
Somthing called Covid happened which closed all the Courts for a while. When they restarted lots of cases were scheduled and then delayed when one of the circus (judge, prosecutor, defence, witnesses etc had Covid scares).
The courts were a fking disaster area even before CV19 came along and vikingaero said:
Somthing called Covid happened which closed all the Courts for a while. When they restarted lots of cases were scheduled and then delayed when one of the circus (judge, prosecutor, defence, witnesses etc had Covid scares).
Not in this case surely? I mean, it's a pretty big deal to be punted off down the road for another year. Think of all the families involved, not least the accused.XCP said:
The pros used to like being on remand. All time off sentence and more privileges innit.
this is true. not that long ago you get a bottle of beer when on remand. (1990's)got to wear your own clothes too as opposed to prison gear - most jails will have done away with that now, everyone wears there own as its cheaper!
on remand you was getting £51 a week spends on canteen and a visit every day (not in covid).
also on remand everyones cheery as your innocent and guna bust case. innit.
they don't remand women willy nilly like they do the men. I see magistrates remand lads for the smallest of things on a weekend. Saturday courts is one to avoid!
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