Drink Driving charge and forfeit of car in Scotland
Drink Driving charge and forfeit of car in Scotland
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twenty21

Original Poster:

38 posts

81 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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I don’t post here much under this username but I am a regular poster, I was seeking help with my wife during lockdown and her drinking habits

Things have hit a new low recently, we fell out and she decided it would be a good idea to leave in the car after two bottles of wine.

I reported it immediately and she was caught a short time later some 4 1/2 times over the limit. She was completely cooperative with the police and charged with drink driving.

Now she potentially faces losing her job, and after discussing things with a lawyer today the crown may seek the forfeit of her beloved car and based on the value it will likely be crushed if they do so.

I think this is the low point wake up call she has needed, she is distraught that the car we have both worked together on and enjoy over the last 3 years may potentially be destroyed.

She is a first time offender, with no points on her licence, intends to plead guilty but tbh her nor I can bear the thought of losing the car.

Any advice or opinions would be appreciated


speedyman

1,631 posts

263 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Will probably be the best thing which will happen, it will focus her mind on the consequence of d.d. She should also seek help from A.A. with her addiction to alcohol. She could have killed someone. The car is the least of her problems.

Pica-Pica

16,569 posts

113 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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You won’t be able to stop her driving ban. Can you not claim you have part ownership of the car?

blade7

11,311 posts

245 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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Sell the car quickly, to a friend...

konark

1,238 posts

148 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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I don't understand why she has to forfeit the car. She will get a fine and a ban but what's the car got to do with it, was it unroadworthy?

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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konark said:
I don't understand why she has to forfeit the car. She will get a fine and a ban but what's the car got to do with it, was it unroadworthy?
looks like a scotch law thing.

LosingGrip

8,849 posts

188 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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I’ve had a quick Google and from what I can see, they can look at a forfeit of the car for repeat offenders.

grumpyscot

1,293 posts

221 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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This also highlights the difference in the drink drive limits - Scotland is 22, England is 35. So if she'd been stopped in England she would have been under 3 times the limit. No consolation, but a reminder to all that if you come over the border, the penalties jump in quicker and can be more severe.

spikeyhead

20,393 posts

226 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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The Spruce Goose said:
konark said:
I don't understand why she has to forfeit the car. She will get a fine and a ban but what's the car got to do with it, was it unroadworthy?
looks like a scotch law thing.
...but she wasn't drinking scotch, she was drinking wine smile

Driver101

14,451 posts

150 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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I think it has to be a repeat offender before the car is confiscated.

InitialDave

15,085 posts

148 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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Driver101 said:
I think it has to be a repeat offender before the car is confiscated.
I don't think it does, if you're sufficiently over the limit.

Driver101

14,451 posts

150 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
Driver101 said:
I think it has to be a repeat offender before the car is confiscated.
I don't think it does, if you're sufficiently over the limit.
I can't say I've noticed first time offenders lose their car. I can see one from Dundee where the guy blew one of the highest readings. He was allowed to sell the car and pay off the finance. He lost his licence for 30 months and would have to sell it anyway.

Just had a quick Google. I can see that there figures of 3700 people convicted of drink driving in a year. I can only find figures from 2014 with just 150 cars confiscated. Reading the amount of people blowing high levels and the same people convicted numerous times 150 is very low.

twenty21

Original Poster:

38 posts

81 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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speedyman said:
Will probably be the best thing which will happen, it will focus her mind on the consequence of d.d. She should also seek help from A.A. with her addiction to alcohol. She could have killed someone. The car is the least of her problems.
This has been the wake up call she has desperately needed and she knows it herself. She is fully aware of the potential consequences of her actions and is beside herself knowing what could have happened.

She is seeking help today with her issues which I’m glad to report and proud of her

As for the car, she has known it since new, and it’s not a run of the mill white good, albeit it’s also not worth a huge amount but it’s been sympathetically restored by myself and her over the last 18 months at a considerable cost. The thought of the car being destroyed to “teach her a lesson” makes me feel sick given the money and time that has been put into it.



InitialDave

15,085 posts

148 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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twenty21 said:
. The thought of the car being destroyed to “teach her a lesson” makes me feel sick given the money and time that has been put into it.
Well, not to kick a man when he's down, but you reported her for the crime that the punishment results from.

I'd ask what the situation is from an angle of "hold up, that's my car, not hers".

twenty21

Original Poster:

38 posts

81 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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InitialDave said:
twenty21 said:
. The thought of the car being destroyed to “teach her a lesson” makes me feel sick given the money and time that has been put into it.
Well, not to kick a man when he's down, but you reported her for the crime that the punishment results from.

I'd ask what the situation is from an angle of "hold up, that's my car, not hers".
Yeah that’s fair enough, but at the same time what was I meant to do, let her continue on her merry jolly and potentially hurt someone?

The car is registered in her name, I’m a named driver on insurance and vice versa for my car

paintman

7,860 posts

219 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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twenty21 said:
Yeah that’s fair enough, but at the same time what was I meant to do, let her continue on her merry jolly and potentially hurt someone?

The car is registered in her name, I’m a named driver on insurance and vice versa for my car
Registered keeper & owner of the car are not necessarily one & the same. States that on top of the V5c.
Could you claim to be joint owners?
Might be an idea to have a quick chat with a Scottish lawyer.

steveo3002

11,201 posts

203 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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get it sold to you /mate/parents sharpish

Pistonheader101

2,206 posts

136 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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steveo3002 said:
get it sold to you /mate/parents sharpish
Or webuyanycar

Pica-Pica

16,569 posts

113 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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Just to re-iterate. The V5 document names the ‘Registered Keeper’, it is NOT a proof of ownership.

Separate the ownership of the car from the other issues.

Pica-Pica

16,569 posts

113 months

Tuesday 8th June 2021
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Pistonheader101 said:
steveo3002 said:
get it sold to you /mate/parents sharpish
Or webuyanycar
Why?