Some count applied for a v5c for my car!
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In summer 2018 i bought a mk2 escort RS2000 bodyshell from a mate who runs a garage. He had owned it since the mid 80’s, used it himself then stripped it, converted the shell to group 4 spec with the intention of building a rally car then it sat for years and years as an unfinished project. Last taxed in 1994. He had an old style v5 and the vin plate. V5 shows he bought it in 84.
I bought it from him and have been rebuilding it (with his help!) over the last 3 years. It has been in a corner of his workshop for 25 years!
He wrote to the DVLA, sent off the old v5 asking for a new one. Intention then being to transfer it to me.
Turns out that some chunter applied for a v5 for it in summer 2017.
It’s not taxed or insured.
DVLA are being remarkably unhelpful. Demanding evidence it’s his. To complicate things, my mate moved house a couple of times so his old v5 has the wrong address. It’s the same town, he’s lived there all his life and run a business in his name there since 1990 or so.
Should we persevere with DVLA or get police involved? No question that it’s his car!
I’ve now got a car with no v5 - my mate sent the old one back to DVLA and they don’t seem keen on issuing a new style one.
I know the value of these things has rocketed recently and ringing is rife - I really don’t want saddled with a q plate!
I bought it from him and have been rebuilding it (with his help!) over the last 3 years. It has been in a corner of his workshop for 25 years!
He wrote to the DVLA, sent off the old v5 asking for a new one. Intention then being to transfer it to me.
Turns out that some chunter applied for a v5 for it in summer 2017.
It’s not taxed or insured.
DVLA are being remarkably unhelpful. Demanding evidence it’s his. To complicate things, my mate moved house a couple of times so his old v5 has the wrong address. It’s the same town, he’s lived there all his life and run a business in his name there since 1990 or so.
Should we persevere with DVLA or get police involved? No question that it’s his car!
I’ve now got a car with no v5 - my mate sent the old one back to DVLA and they don’t seem keen on issuing a new style one.
I know the value of these things has rocketed recently and ringing is rife - I really don’t want saddled with a q plate!
Edited by Lefty on Sunday 1st August 22:21
I would guess that when the DVLA received the V5 application from A.N. Other, they would have contacted the registered keeper - your mate at his old address - and if no reply, they would have carried on and issued the V5. I wonder what the person is up to, as they must have had some prior knowledge of the car, VIN and engine number to make the application. Possibly a previous owner?
So you have to persist with DVLA. I understand they can be helpful on the phone if you can get through to a competent person.
Otherwise an owner's club should be able to ID and date the shell, and this can lead to an age related number - IIRC in this case the DVLA will issue their own VIN - not ideal, but better than a Q plate.
So you have to persist with DVLA. I understand they can be helpful on the phone if you can get through to a competent person.
Otherwise an owner's club should be able to ID and date the shell, and this can lead to an age related number - IIRC in this case the DVLA will issue their own VIN - not ideal, but better than a Q plate.
Is this the right time to use form V999
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/v888-re...
Request details about the individual?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/v888-re...
Request details about the individual?
Sounds like a mistake. Why would anyone apply for a V5C for a car they have no prospect of gaining possession of? It would have made more sense if the thing had been sitting in a field, but even then surely you'd tow it home before trying to "appropriate" it in this way.
Sounds more like your mate did it himself and since forgot.
Sounds more like your mate did it himself and since forgot.
Bennet said:
Sounds like a mistake. Why would anyone apply for a V5C for a car they have no prospect of gaining possession of? It would have made more sense if the thing had been sitting in a field, but even then surely you'd tow it home before trying to "appropriate" it in this way.
Sounds more like your mate did it himself and since forgot.
They will get a shell of some other can and build it into the car from parts. Creating a valuable Ford. Sounds more like your mate did it himself and since forgot.
Bennet said:
Sounds like a mistake. Why would anyone apply for a V5C for a car they have no prospect of gaining possession of? It would have made more sense if the thing had been sitting in a field, but even then surely you'd tow it home before trying to "appropriate" it in this way.
Sounds more like your mate did it himself and since forgot.
So they could put an rs2000 ID onto a 1.3 shell and double it’s value 😉Sounds more like your mate did it himself and since forgot.
you'll (or mate) will probably end up with a letter stating that someone has applied for v5c....they'll be asking for proof of the physical shell ie pictures of relevant markers, chalked up so figures can be seen, they aren't interested in the monetary side of who owns what.
make sure no one else has access to the shell.
i 'lost' an Arcadian van that was left at a 'mates' garage, usual just do it as and when, he died, i moved house, his son had bills to pay, couldn't find me and basically someone who'd always been asking about it paid 'storage' charges, took the van to their place and i had no access to it.
i had the v5c but not physical possession to prove it...
make sure no one else has access to the shell.
i 'lost' an Arcadian van that was left at a 'mates' garage, usual just do it as and when, he died, i moved house, his son had bills to pay, couldn't find me and basically someone who'd always been asking about it paid 'storage' charges, took the van to their place and i had no access to it.
i had the v5c but not physical possession to prove it...
I hold my hand up to the fact that I ‘stole’ a car.
My BiL has a small garage.
Years ago he had a customer bring in a oldish Peugeot 206 to get an Mot which necessitated new discs, pads etc. Which was all paid for.
But the customer never came back for the car. He phoned them on multiple occasions on the only number he had which went directly to answerphone.
It sat in the yard taking up space for a year till I happened to need a shed to run about in. So I applied for the V5, paid him ‘storage charges’ and ran about in it for several years.
Highly illegal almost certainly.
Drawweight said:
I hold my hand up to the fact that I ‘stole’ a car.
My BiL has a small garage.
Years ago he had a customer bring in a oldish Peugeot 206 to get an Mot which necessitated new discs, pads etc. Which was all paid for.
But the customer never came back for the car. He phoned them on multiple occasions on the only number he had which went directly to answerphone.
It sat in the yard taking up space for a year till I happened to need a shed to run about in. So I applied for the V5, paid him ‘storage charges’ and ran about in it for several years.
Highly illegal almost certainly.
Not really, just you never actually owned it.My BiL has a small garage.
Years ago he had a customer bring in a oldish Peugeot 206 to get an Mot which necessitated new discs, pads etc. Which was all paid for.
But the customer never came back for the car. He phoned them on multiple occasions on the only number he had which went directly to answerphone.
It sat in the yard taking up space for a year till I happened to need a shed to run about in. So I applied for the V5, paid him ‘storage charges’ and ran about in it for several years.
Highly illegal almost certainly.
Drawweight said:
I hold my hand up to the fact that I ‘stole’ a car.
My BiL has a small garage.
Years ago he had a customer bring in a oldish Peugeot 206 to get an Mot which necessitated new discs, pads etc. Which was all paid for.
But the customer never came back for the car. He phoned them on multiple occasions on the only number he had which went directly to answerphone.
It sat in the yard taking up space for a year till I happened to need a shed to run about in. So I applied for the V5, paid him ‘storage charges’ and ran about in it for several years.
Highly illegal almost certainly.
He was probably busy doing time for GBH for the last person who knicked his car. My BiL has a small garage.
Years ago he had a customer bring in a oldish Peugeot 206 to get an Mot which necessitated new discs, pads etc. Which was all paid for.
But the customer never came back for the car. He phoned them on multiple occasions on the only number he had which went directly to answerphone.
It sat in the yard taking up space for a year till I happened to need a shed to run about in. So I applied for the V5, paid him ‘storage charges’ and ran about in it for several years.
Highly illegal almost certainly.
In my case I hope we can show the car, the vin plate, the old v5, the owner who can prove he lived at the address at the time.
IF a scumbag has cloned the car and had a vin plate made then it will be impossible to prove which is the real car snd DVLA might just pull the number. This has actually happened on a number of famous escort rally cars.
Remember, back in the day it was quite common for rally cars to actually have multiple shells - with one vin and one registration.
IF a scumbag has cloned the car and had a vin plate made then it will be impossible to prove which is the real car snd DVLA might just pull the number. This has actually happened on a number of famous escort rally cars.
Remember, back in the day it was quite common for rally cars to actually have multiple shells - with one vin and one registration.
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