Tenant without lease in shared matrimonial asset property
Tenant without lease in shared matrimonial asset property
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TonyRPH

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13,538 posts

197 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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My friend (call her Cathy) is currently renting a property from a relative (call him Jon) of hers who is currently going through a divorce.

No lease was ever drawn up.

The relative (Jon) is mostly out of the country, hence the reason the flat was rented.

This evening, the relative's wife (call her Sarah) appeared at the door, demanding entry to the flat and wanting to take away some furniture she claims to belong to her.

Now the way I see this is that without a lease, Cathy is technically squatting in the flat is this correct?

My understanding is that although Jon was happy to rent the flat to Cathy without consulting Sarah (his wife), and as Jon & Sarah are still married - this means Sarah has right of entry to the flat?

Sorry for what appears to be a confusing post - however I am just looking for legal clarity here.

Thanks in advance.

bigandclever

14,350 posts

267 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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She’s still got a verbal contract, right? It’s daft to not have a written contract but she has the same legal protections.

Anyone rocking up to the door demanding entry, especially intending to take stuff away, can do one regardless. There are procedures to follow.

TonyRPH

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13,538 posts

197 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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Thanks that's interesting about the verbal lease, but two months notice to visit the property?

According to this site a landlord need only give 24 hours?

Also - as the property is in the name of 'Jon' only - does this still mean that 'Jon's' wife 'Sarah' has right of access as well?


bigandclever

14,350 posts

267 months

Thursday 26th August 2021
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I assume REIOTW is on about length of notice to evict, not visit.

TonyRPH

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Thursday 26th August 2021
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bigandclever said:
I assume REIOTW is on about length of notice to evict, not visit.
Yes, after a little internet research I have found that to be the case.



Ham_and_Jam

3,677 posts

126 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Although the tenant doesn’t have a written contract, she does have an oral contract. Fortunately the law is very favourable towards tenants, and she will have virtually the same protections as someone who had a written lease.

It sounds like she has a furnished lease, as the relative wishes to remove furniture. As such, the furniture forms part of the agreement and cannot simply be removed. Only by negotiation, maybe by it being replaced with similar items can it be taken away.

The landlord and / or nominated representative can make unannounced visits, but usually it is preferred to give some notice. However it’s not always possible. I would say given the reason and nature of the visit on this occasion it is not reasonable. I would consider any repeat with the same intent would be a violation of the tenants ‘quiet enjoyment’, a golden right of a tenancy.

Personally I would tell the tenant not entertain the lady, tell her she cannot simply remove items under the terms of the ‘oral furnished tenancy agreement’, and not to enter the property or harass her.



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fred bloggs

1,379 posts

229 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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The fact no written lease is in place is only detrimental to the landlord, not the tenant. Monies have been paid, so the tennant has all the rights granted by law, Including the right to quiet enjoyment.

Knocking on the door unannounced is not on.

TonyRPH

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Friday 27th August 2021
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fred bloggs said:
The fact no written lease is in place is only detrimental to the landlord, not the tenant. Monies have been paid, so the tennant has all the rights granted by law, Including the right to quiet enjoyment.

Knocking on the door unannounced is not on.
It wasn't even the landlord who knocked on the door, but the landlords (soon to be ex) wife. They are currently going through a very acrimonious divorce.

The property concerned is registered solely in the landlords name.

Additionally - my understanding is that most of the divorce agreement has been worked through and the property is to remain in sole ownership of the landlord.


anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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Your friend has a periodical tenancy.

Did she let the landlords wife take anything?

TonyRPH

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Friday 27th August 2021
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Rufus Stone said:
Your friend has a periodical tenancy.

Did she let the landlords wife take anything?
No, my friend managed to keep the landlords wife at the door (despite said wife having a foot wedged in the door!).


Ian Geary

5,597 posts

221 months

Friday 27th August 2021
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It's a good job the soon to be ex wife didn't have a spare key.

Maybe a security chain for the door would help for future encounters.