Have you been or seen anyone kicked off a SAC?
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I did a SAC last week for the first time in my driving career, and having not had any extra tuition in 20+ years since passing I thought it would be an interesting if potentially patronising opportunity to refresh my knowledge.
The course I was on ended up was relatively free of preaching, and on the whole was actually pretty educational. I was glad that I got pretty much all of the questions right.
The only minor annoyance was that I felt that the course was very much on a "track". One participant seemed to risk life and limb by asking why people were by and large permitted to do 80mph on the motorway, "was it a matter of too many people doing it to enforce, or is 80mph secretly safe", etc. The response he got from the organiser didn't really answer his question at all, he just repeated an earlier point about the difference extra mph makes to injury, etc. The guy attempted to reframe the question but sensed he wasn't going to get a meaningful answer so gave up.
As it was done on Zoom I did think about directly messaging the guy to say that I thought what he said made sense, but wasn't sure if the chat was monitored (or could be) so didn't risk it.
It occured to me after this "outburst" that there must be instances where people have failed the course, not because they didn't turn up but because they said or did something that was inexcusable, and it got me wondering whether anyone has experienced such a thing.
So, any interesting stories?
The course I was on ended up was relatively free of preaching, and on the whole was actually pretty educational. I was glad that I got pretty much all of the questions right.
The only minor annoyance was that I felt that the course was very much on a "track". One participant seemed to risk life and limb by asking why people were by and large permitted to do 80mph on the motorway, "was it a matter of too many people doing it to enforce, or is 80mph secretly safe", etc. The response he got from the organiser didn't really answer his question at all, he just repeated an earlier point about the difference extra mph makes to injury, etc. The guy attempted to reframe the question but sensed he wasn't going to get a meaningful answer so gave up.
As it was done on Zoom I did think about directly messaging the guy to say that I thought what he said made sense, but wasn't sure if the chat was monitored (or could be) so didn't risk it.
It occured to me after this "outburst" that there must be instances where people have failed the course, not because they didn't turn up but because they said or did something that was inexcusable, and it got me wondering whether anyone has experienced such a thing.
So, any interesting stories?
The course I was on a few years ago was focusing on marginal speeding. Doing 32 in a 30 for instance, thus increasing your stopping distance.
I did think about asking why lorrys and buses were allowed to do 30in a 30, as their stopping distances at that speed would be far more than a car. Decided better of it.
I did think about asking why lorrys and buses were allowed to do 30in a 30, as their stopping distances at that speed would be far more than a car. Decided better of it.
I was on a course, about 5 years ago. All going well, a few of us asking interesting questions, but most sitting like dummies. Then one of the tutors stopped, looked at a woman (30-ish), “are you texting?” (We could all see that she was). She went white, and sheepish looking. As we had already been told to switch our phones off, he said “I will have to ask you to leave the course, and you will have a fail”. She went even whiter. Sadly, he relented and let her stay. If she could not resist texting then, imagine what her driving was like.
Not a SAC, but I once did a ROSPA course in Birmingham and the instructor told us that skid marks were caused by the friction of the tyres causing black marks to form in the tarmac. We all said that surely it was rubber from the tyres rubbing off onto the road, but he wouldn’t have it.
We all thought it was better to shut up as it was nearly lunchtime.
We all thought it was better to shut up as it was nearly lunchtime.
I do remember reading on here or elsewhere about someone who came in and commented about how this was going to be a complete waste of time or similar, and was promptly given a fail and sent home. I'd imagine the providers get paid either way and a few fails show they're taking it halfway seriously.
Pica-Pica said:
I was on a course, about 5 years ago. All going well, a few of us asking interesting questions, but most sitting like dummies. Then one of the tutors stopped, looked at a woman (30-ish), “are you texting?” (We could all see that she was). She went white, and sheepish looking. As we had already been told to switch our phones off, he said “I will have to ask you to leave the course, and you will have a fail”. She went even whiter. Sadly, he relented and let her stay. If she could not resist texting then, imagine what her driving was like.
About the only things I remember from mine 3 years ago are , get your phone out , you could be thrown out and the other was that the oldest lady in the room had been caught speeding , in a Ferrari California , she was really old ......
Roofless Toothless said:
Not a SAC, but I once did a ROSPA course in Birmingham and the instructor told us that skid marks were caused by the friction of the tyres causing black marks to form in the tarmac. We all said that surely it was rubber from the tyres rubbing off onto the road, but he wouldn’t have it.
We all thought it was better to shut up as it was nearly lunchtime.
Common misconception that tyre marks are rubber from tyres, ROSPA man was correct.We all thought it was better to shut up as it was nearly lunchtime.
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
I have done them and they don’t answer questions or enter into debate.
They are paid to deliver the course.
There is always one who wants to drone on and just makes the course last another 20 mins when we all want to go home
The two I have been on, one in Essex (for a Kent offence), the other in Gwynedd (for a Nottingham offence) were quite well done. They invited comments, I learnt something on both. I would like to think PHers, with their inquisitive mindsets, would warm to them.They are paid to deliver the course.
There is always one who wants to drone on and just makes the course last another 20 mins when we all want to go home
I had the phone warning in mine, or rather that the organiser made it clear that we weren’t to use them lest you risk failing the course. Seemed obvious to me but I suppose there are some attendees who get the shakes if they’re not touching or looking at their phone 24/7.
We also had to have the webcam on the entire time, and on more than one occasion the organiser stopped things in their tracks to make sure someone whose camera had frozen or been momentarily switched off was still there.
We also had to have the webcam on the entire time, and on more than one occasion the organiser stopped things in their tracks to make sure someone whose camera had frozen or been momentarily switched off was still there.
Donbot said:
If it was done on zoom couldn't you just sleep through it?
No unfortunately.When I did one a while ago -
I had to have a web cam on, and the course organiser would ask us to write answers on some paper and hold it up to the Camera.
I felt like I was back at school....but with more modern technology!
Donbot said:
If it was done on zoom couldn't you just sleep through it?
I did one on Zoom recently. It was made clear at the start that we had to keep our webcam on, and that if we wandered off, fell asleep or were otherwise obviously not paying attention we could fail the course. Nobody actually got that far, but the instructor was obviously noting who was paying attention and did remind a couple of people not to get distracted as the course went on. Oilchange said:
caziques said:
Common misconception that tyre marks are rubber from tyres, ROSPA man was correct.
What about when you do a burn out on concrete, what are the black marks then?Metal Guru said:
They always say something like 30% of accidents are caused by speeding. They don’t like you to point out that , technically, 100% are because if you weren’t still moving at the point of impact, there would be no crash.
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