Parking Ticket - only slightly over

[lost in espace]

Britannia Parking, Waitrose. My wife went in at 11:47:44 and left at 13:51:12, less than 4 minutes over.

I know I could go to Pepipoo, etc, but is this worth appealing?

Ta.

[paradigital]

I'd imagine that if she has a receipt showing legitimate use of the store for the period (i.e. a substantial shop spanning the timeframe) then Waitrose will likely quash it for you if you ask them.

[bigandclever]

What's she doing in Waitrose for 2 hours, putting a shift in on the tills?

[deckster]

Q: Were you parked outside of the published T&Cs?

A: Yes

Not sure where the question really is, although I guess you could go for the Blackadder defence.

Lt George said:

Oh, go on, let him off, your honour, please! It’s a lovely day. Pretty clouds, trees, birds, etc. I rest my case.

[lost in espace]

deckster said:

I suppose it would take you longer than 3 and a half minutes to find a space and park. Anyway spoken to the very nice Waitrose manager who tells me that they no longer rescind parking tickets, email to ceo and twitter to spout my outrage!

You can park in the car park and not actually use Waitrose, but in this case my wife did. And must have taken 5 minutes to find a space, so was "parked" for under the 2 hours. I haven't had a parking ticket for 20 years so this isn't the end of the world, or grounds for divorce. Although she did throw the ticket back at me and tell me to sort it as it is my car :-/

[deckster]

lost in espace said:

I suppose it would take you longer than 3 and a half minutes to find a space and park.

Don't get me wrong. I'd be hugely miffed as well and chances are if it were a warden-patrolled car park you'd be fine. But legally speaking I don't think you've got a leg to stand on. Or as George would have put it -

Lt George said:

As far as I can tell you’re as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.

[Largechris]

deckster said:

lost in espace said:

I suppose it would take you longer than 3 and a half minutes to find a space and park.

Don't get me wrong. I'd be hugely miffed as well and chances are if it were a warden-patrolled car park you'd be fine. But legally speaking I don't think you've got a leg to stand on. Or as George would have put it -

Lt George said:

As far as I can tell you’re as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.

Ignore this ^^^ nonsense

From CAB:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/p...

“It’s worth appealing if you were only 5 or 10 minutes late.

You should be given a few minutes after your parking runs out – called a ‘grace period’. ATA members must give you an extra 10 minutes before giving you a Parking Charge Notice – as should the council before giving you a Penalty Charge Notice. You should also be given a reasonable amount of time to leave a car park if you decide not to park.

A parking company might disagree with your appeal if they time your stay from the moment you entered the car park, rather than from when you parked. It’s still worth appealing because it’s free to informally appeal – and you have to do this before you can appeal to an independent tribunal or trade association.“

[RedWhiteMonkey]

How much is the fine? I'm struggling to see the grounds for appeal, why not just suck it up and pay?

[Wacky Racer]

Appeal....You have nothing to lose.

[kestral]

lost in espace said:

Britannia Parking, Waitrose. My wife went in at 11:47:44 and left at 13:51:12, less than 4 minutes over.

I know I could go to Pepipoo, etc, but is this worth appealing?

Ta.

If Waitrose (Britannia Parking) issued a parking fine (notice) 4 minutes before the expiry time and you refused to pay could Waitrose (Britania Parking) appeal saying you were nearly out of time.

[RedWhiteMonkey]

Wacky Racer said:

Appeal....You have nothing to lose.

Time and effort. How much is the fine vs how much is your time worth?

[Sheepshanks]

lost in espace said:

I suppose it would take you longer than 3 and a half minutes to find a space and park. Anyway spoken to the very nice Waitrose manager who tells me that they no longer rescind parking tickets, email to ceo and twitter to spout my outrage!

Seems common with Waitrose - "nothing to do with us, guv, it's down to the landlord."

Yet wife and daughter managed to spend more than 2hrs in Wickes during lockdown when the store was closed to walk-ins - got a penalty notice from their landlord's parking enforcement firm but it was pretty instantly confirmed as cancelled after calling the store.

So they can do it - they just choose not to.

[Robberto]

Sheepshanks said:

lost in espace said:

I suppose it would take you longer than 3 and a half minutes to find a space and park. Anyway spoken to the very nice Waitrose manager who tells me that they no longer rescind parking tickets, email to ceo and twitter to spout my outrage!

Seems common with Waitrose - "nothing to do with us, guv, it's down to the landlord."

Yet wife and daughter managed to spend more than 2hrs in Wickes during lockdown when the store was closed to walk-ins - got a penalty notice from their landlord's parking enforcement firm but it was pretty instantly confirmed as cancelled after calling the store.

So they can do it - they just choose not to.

IME Waitrose tend to be closer to town centres than Wickes (only a sample of 2 Waitrose and 1 Wickes I can think of off the top of my head, mind) so they probably get many more chancers either using the store then ambling around town for an hour or even worse, using the carpark and not using the store at all, then whining when they overstay by 4 minutes and get a fine than Wickes do…

[spikyone]

lost in espace said:

Britannia Parking, Waitrose. My wife went in at 11:47:44 and left at 13:51:12, less than 4 minutes over.

I know I could go to Pepipoo, etc, but is this worth appealing?

Ta.

It's always worth appealing, the absolute majority of these are unenforceable. The code of practice for Britannia's trade body will allow a ten minute grace period. They will doubtless also have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act that governs private parking.

And yes, go to Pepipoo - you've already seen that many people on here don't actually want to help you. PH is not the right place to ask about private parking tickets.

[lost in espace]

spikyone said:

It's always worth appealing, the absolute majority of these are unenforceable. The code of practice for Britannia's trade body will allow a ten minute grace period. They will doubtless also have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act that governs private parking.

And yes, go to Pepipoo - you've already seen that many people on here don't actually want to help you. PH is not the right place to ask about private parking tickets.

Thanks spikyone will do.

[Sheepshanks]

Robberto said:

IME Waitrose tend to be closer to town centres than Wickes (only a sample of 2 Waitrose and 1 Wickes I can think of off the top of my head, mind) so they probably get many more chancers either using the store then ambling around town for an hour or even worse, using the carpark and not using the store at all, then whining when they overstay by 4 minutes and get a fine than Wickes do…

I was gobsmacked Wickes (or "the landlord") had such a system - the store has its own car-park and is pretty isolated from everything else.

If someone uses Waitrose for most of their shopping they could easily be spending £5-10K/yr. OK, they've got to do something so those shoppers can park at the store but it's appalling that the store claims it's nothing to do with them when they lease the place on their terms.

[targarama]

I personally think you should suck it up and pay. You (she) overstayed. I am sure it was not 2hrs just in Waitrose, she nipped to some other shops and was not precise on her arrival time/watching the clock closely enough, easily done. Why have the stress in your life of the appeal, pay it and move on. Technically you are in the wrong anyway, its not like she broke down or lost her car key or similar.

[deckster]

spikyone said:

And yes, go to Pepipoo - you've already seen that many people on here don't actually want to help you. PH is not the right place to ask about private parking tickets.

That's not an unreasonable observation. Most people here know that parking is a nightmare in many places, and that there are a significant number of people who, without firm enforcement, would take the piss (to be clear: this is a general comment and not meant to imply that this is the case in this instance). So yes, many here are unsympathetic to "how can I get off this ticket"-type questions.

At the end of the day, two hours free parking at a supermarket is very generous and even if it weren't, complying with simple instructions isn't hard.

[pavarotti1980]

Brittania Parking are a member of the BPA whose code of practice says that 10 minutes grace at the end of the parking period should be applied.

https://www.britishparking.co.uk/AOS-Code-Changes-... -

Section 13.3
Where a parking location is one where a limited period of parking is permitted, or where drivers contract to park for a defined period and pay for that service in advance (Pay & Display), this would be considered as a parking event and a Grace Period of at least 10 minutes must be added to the end of a parking event before you issue a PCN.

[Robberto]

Sheepshanks said:

Robberto said:

IME Waitrose tend to be closer to town centres than Wickes (only a sample of 2 Waitrose and 1 Wickes I can think of off the top of my head, mind) so they probably get many more chancers either using the store then ambling around town for an hour or even worse, using the carpark and not using the store at all, then whining when they overstay by 4 minutes and get a fine than Wickes do…

I was gobsmacked Wickes (or "the landlord") had such a system - the store has its own car-park and is pretty isolated from everything else.

If someone uses Waitrose for most of their shopping they could easily be spending £5-10K/yr. OK, they've got to do something so those shoppers can park at the store but it's appalling that the store claims it's nothing to do with them when they lease the place on their terms.

I’d imagine Waitrose have taken a zero tolerance approach because they’ve had enough of people not being able to shop there as there’s no parking spaces due to other customers assuming their weekly shopping bill includes an on-demand parking space whenever they need to pop into town.