Wanted in England vs Wales
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surveyor

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18,689 posts

213 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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Curious. Earlier in the week I was traveling on the M4 and noticed a police car that appeared to have left its red beacons on. I suspect in hindsight there was a message saying do not pass.

A short while later a marked XX glued itself to my bumper, with no lights on. He clearly wanted me to shift, so I did. He quickly got cheesed off with the truck in front who was oblivious so went past everybody on the hard shoulder.

Next came a plan 5 series estate. Again clearly wanted past. I think by this time everyone was watching the play ahead, so he was really struggling!

By this time we were approaching the Severn Crossing, and it appeared that the rear plain police car was meant to hold us all back, while they boxed in a car transporter However it seemed it all happened too quickly and the rear car was not actually at the front of the traffic. Briefly, it all went weird as we stopped and that car fought his way to where he was meant to be.

So, to the point. Was this just a not quite perfect stop, or a stop that was rushed rather than head into Wales? Does Wales or out of area cause complications? Curious really.

Mr Tidy

31,359 posts

156 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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I watched a couple of episodes of Traffic Cops earlier this week and they did seem keen to make stops within their Constabulary area.

But I don't know if that is just a matter of courtesy or a requirement.

edthefed

827 posts

96 months

Friday 19th November 2021
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No difference legally between England and Wales and same laws / powers of a Constable.

It can be "logistically" easier to remain within your force boundaries

MustangGT

13,830 posts

309 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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surveyor said:
Curious. Earlier in the week I was traveling on the M4 and noticed a police car that appeared to have left its red beacons on. I suspect in hindsight there was a message saying do not pass.

A short while later a marked XX glued itself to my bumper, with no lights on. He clearly wanted me to shift, so I did.
If you could have shifted left why were you still in the outside lane? He would not have got on your bumper if you were in the correct lane (that is lane 1 unless overtaking).

Often they want to stop a vehicle asap to control the situation and minimise the risk to the general public. Once they have the required cars in place there is no reason to wait (in general).

surveyor

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18,689 posts

213 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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MustangGT said:
surveyor said:
Curious. Earlier in the week I was traveling on the M4 and noticed a police car that appeared to have left its red beacons on. I suspect in hindsight there was a message saying do not pass.

A short while later a marked XX glued itself to my bumper, with no lights on. He clearly wanted me to shift, so I did.
If you could have shifted left why were you still in the outside lane? He would not have got on your bumper if you were in the correct lane (that is lane 1 unless overtaking).

Often they want to stop a vehicle asap to control the situation and minimise the risk to the general public. Once they have the required cars in place there is no reason to wait (in general).
I was waiting for in the way truck to clear the lane so I could make progress also. Unlike plod I did not opt for the hard shoulder undertake...

Rozzers

3,056 posts

104 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Anyone who has seen the Dukes of Hazzard knows that no Deputy has powers over the county line. Needs the State Police.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

289 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Who does it need?

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

290 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Rozzers said:
Anyone who has seen the Dukes of Hazzard knows that no Deputy has powers over the county line. Needs the State Police.
On the other hand these guys don't appear to have been legitimate state deputies because they were doing something other than driving round in circles while shouting.

GolfDragon

298 posts

96 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Sounds to me like they wanted to make the stop before the bridge which makes perfect sense to me. The hard shoulder on the Second Severn Crossing doesn’t look the widest and is probably not the safest place to pull someone over on.

WolvesWill

155 posts

178 months

Sunday 21st November 2021
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Some crooks are quite (very) switched on to what unmarked vehicles are used by plod, so the longer you have a 'follow' on the greater the risk of the subject car making off, leading to a pursuit. Generally the sooner you can make use of tactics to bring a vehicle to a stop, the better, so long as it can be done with an appropriate degree of safety. I can't imagine the Severn Crossing bridge is a great place to put a stop on, from the perspectives of getting a stop on with a level of safety.

donkmeister

12,843 posts

129 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Rozzers said:
Anyone who has seen the Dukes of Hazzard knows that no Deputy has powers over the county line. Needs the State Police.
biglaugh

I wonder if any crims think that is a genuine way to escape? Round my neck of the woods we don't even have a county-specific TrafPol; they cover Beds, Cambs and Herts, which makes sense given the size of each county by itself and the amount of motorway and main road in each. But it does mean if you are trying to get away up the A1 from the M25 you cross the border into Beds, same TrafPol. Hammer up the section with all the flipping roundabouts, then cross the border into Cambs, same TrafPol.