Points on provisional
Discussion
Ok so I know I ducked up; driving unsupervised on a provisional, without adequate insurance…. Got 6 points & a fine. Codes IN10 + LC20… 13th Sept 20
Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer 😫😭 not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer 😫😭 not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
You're confusing totting up with the New Drivers Act. I'd think you're pretty much certain to be banned under totting up, when you get your licence back and have hopefully passed, then if you acquire another 6 points in the first two years after passing your first driving test in the UK then you'll lose it under the NDA
Rushjob said:
You're confusing totting up with the New Drivers Act. I'd think you're pretty much certain to be banned under totting up, when you get your licence back and have hopefully passed, then if you acquire another 6 points in the first two years after passing your first driving test in the UK then you'll lose it under the NDA
Would I have any chance of arguing this based on the fact that the offence happened prior to me passing the test?ItWasMe said:
Would I have any chance of arguing this based on the fact that the offence happened prior to me passing the test?
Absolutely none. Sorry. You will have 12 active points on your licence within a 3 year period. Your status as a provisional or qualified driver has no impact on this whatsoever.ItWasMe said:
Ok so I know I ducked up; driving unsupervised on a provisional, without adequate insurance…. Got 6 points & a fine. Codes IN10 + LC20… 13th Sept 20
Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer ???? not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
So what reason(s) do you have to give the court for not being disqualified? Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer ???? not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
Nonsense about 'I physically can't do any longer' or 'desperately needing to get around' isn't going to impress anybody.
ItWasMe said:
Ok so I know I ducked up; driving unsupervised on a provisional, without adequate insurance…. Got 6 points & a fine. Codes IN10 + LC20… 13th Sept 20
Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer ???? not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
Sounds like the best thing you can do is grow up and take responsibility for utterly stupid actions that you knew were wrong. Good that it's all admitted now - but many people only regret their actions once they get caught.Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer ???? not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
paintman said:
ItWasMe said:
Ok so I know I ducked up; driving unsupervised on a provisional, without adequate insurance…. Got 6 points & a fine. Codes IN10 + LC20… 13th Sept 20
Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer ???? not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
So what reason(s) do you have to give the court for not being disqualified? Then I really ducked up (couldn’t get a test booked due to Covid, was really stuck and desperately needed to get around) so ended up doing the odd essential journey and got caught again 25th June 21.
I hadn’t heard from them at all and hoped it might have been “overlooked” due to the amount of time it took to come through! But got a court summons today.
I’ve actually managed to sort my test having waited months and months, got it all booked up & paid for in a few days. It’s too late to cancel it and I won’t get my money back so I may aswell do it…
My question is, if I’ve already got 6 points, and they decide to slam me with another 6 points (assuming I pass my test next week) am I then going to lose my license on totting up even through the offence took place before I passed?
Any suggestions of what I can do, I’ve got 21 days to submit a plea. I’m guilty and hold my hands up to the offences, and understand there will (rightfully) be some form of punishment, but I’ve done 6 months of not being able to be mobile and it’s been almost impossible…. I physically can’t do any longer ???? not to mention how much it’s cost me as had to get specialist learner insurance to cover the test so I’m over £250 out of pocket simply for one test day!
Nonsense about 'I physically can't do any longer' or 'desperately needing to get around' isn't going to impress anybody.
You didn’t give a s
t about anything while doing it
You didn’t give a st about anyone else while you were on the road uninsured.
So why should anyone on here who does pay the costs of being legal on the road give a st about helping you?
I hope they throw the book at you.
I lost a friend to an uninsured non qualified driver as they caused an accident.
t about anything while doing itYou didn’t give a s
t about anyone else while you were on the road uninsured.So why should anyone on here who does pay the costs of being legal on the road give a s
t about helping you?I hope they throw the book at you.
I lost a friend to an uninsured non qualified driver as they caused an accident.
Driving is a privilege, not a right. If you had been involved in an accident causing serious damage or injury, you'd be looking at alot worse than a driving ban, I'd count yourself very lucky.
Everyday millions of people get around without the use of a car, if you go to court using the excuses you've used here, they will most likely nail you to the wall and quite rightly.
Go to court, head down, very apologetic, dress smartly, admit your stupidity and if you pass your test, mention it. Won't stop a ban but might save you alittle time as at least you've proven that you have tried not to commit a third offence in the future. For the love of god, don't drive whilst banned! You'll make everything 10 times worse. If you have a car, sell it so you won't be tempted.
Forget the £250 for test insurance, that has the potential to seem like peanuts to the fine you could be facing and will certainly be peanuts compared to your first insurance quotes once ban is up! If its under £4000, I'll be surprised.
Best of luck.
Everyday millions of people get around without the use of a car, if you go to court using the excuses you've used here, they will most likely nail you to the wall and quite rightly.
Go to court, head down, very apologetic, dress smartly, admit your stupidity and if you pass your test, mention it. Won't stop a ban but might save you alittle time as at least you've proven that you have tried not to commit a third offence in the future. For the love of god, don't drive whilst banned! You'll make everything 10 times worse. If you have a car, sell it so you won't be tempted.
Forget the £250 for test insurance, that has the potential to seem like peanuts to the fine you could be facing and will certainly be peanuts compared to your first insurance quotes once ban is up! If its under £4000, I'll be surprised.
Best of luck.
Mr Miata said:
I thought if you received 6 points in the first 2 years you were banned.
What’s the point in applying for the driving test if you already have 6 points and another 6 on its way?
I’m surprised you got caught though. What did you do for the police to pull you over?
The New Drivers Act only comes into play for the two years following your first passing a driving test in the UK. What’s the point in applying for the driving test if you already have 6 points and another 6 on its way?
I’m surprised you got caught though. What did you do for the police to pull you over?
If you accrue 6 points after passing your first driving test, your full licence is revoked, you return to Provisional status and start again.
Even if you pass and get your licence, the points remain active for 3 years post offence so you're already half way to a loss under totting up.
Previous points don't come into play under the NDA, only those for offences committed post test.
All the points on your licence count though......
In the OP's case , if he can pass the test, then when he loses his licence under topping up, at least he still has a full licence at the end of the ban. For now.....
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