2 months suspended sentence
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I understand people don’t like dogs, but unless there is a *lot* that isn’t being reported here, this seems manifestly ott?
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/19936950.suspen...
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If not wanting to read, in summary - woman has a French bulldog puppy. It scratches (not bites) 2 people - result = 2 month suspended jail sentence, plus subsequent hearing about destruction of the dog?
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/19936950.suspen...
(Use private browsing to see the full article)
If not wanting to read, in summary - woman has a French bulldog puppy. It scratches (not bites) 2 people - result = 2 month suspended jail sentence, plus subsequent hearing about destruction of the dog?
Edited by ChevronB19 on Monday 21st February 15:02
Seems a bit OTT to me.
Maybe we can work out where it fell in the sentencing guidelines .. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...
My wild guess it was a Culpability B, Category 2.
Maybe we can work out where it fell in the sentencing guidelines .. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...
My wild guess it was a Culpability B, Category 2.
ChevronB19 said:
It scratches (not bites) 2 people - result = 2 month suspended jail sentence, plus subsequent hearing about destruction of the dog?
That's an assumption rebutted by the article's closing comments: article said:
Wilson told the court that Jimmy is now routinely muzzled when in public to ensure there is no repeat
If the dog had simply scratched the 'victims' in this case, a muzzle would have no material influence on repeat behaviour. She entered a guilty plea to a dangerously out of control dog causing injury, so I suppose it's more a case of shoddy reporting, than anything. There was one local to me a few weeks ago, a couple of mastiff dogs escaped from their garden and attacked a 9yo jack russell that was being walked by it's owner, sadly the JR later died from it's injuries and the 2 mastiffs have been PTS, no action has been taken against the mastiffs owners.
Edited by Saleen836 on Monday 21st February 20:25
Saleen836 said:
There was one ;ocal to me a few weeks ago, a couple of mastiff dogs escaped from their garden and attacked a 9yo jack russell that was being wlked by it's owner, sadly the JR later died from it's injuries and the 2 mastiffs have been PTS, no action has been taken against the mastiffs owners.
Police rarely touch dog on dog attacks unless someone with the dog was attacked or feared attack. They can deal under the old 1871 dog act. I dealt with a case of a bull terrier tearing three little Papillon dogs to pieces. I reported the owner and they were ordered by Magistrates to keep the dog under control and muzzled when in public so action can be taken if theres a will.That's just ridiculous.
We have a big dog (50+Kg), he is as soft but due to his breed can be very protective and guards my wife (and strangely the car) almost constantly. We know this behaviour though and manage it, basically by telling people to just leave him alone and he'll ignore you.
Some people's reactions though to him are just pathetic, he has had people screaming, waving their hands, jumping up walls etc just when he is about. Do these people not realise that's a guaranteed way to get a dogs attention and invoke a reaction? We have to bring him onto a short lead and I've had to tell people a few times to just go forth and multiply. The person who jumped up a wall though, have to admit, I laughed my head off, couldn't help it watching them dangling there, skrieking whilst my dog looked at them like they were crackers.
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc. Last thing I'd ever do is report them! Owner usually apologises, I laugh it off. Doesn't need to be a drama.
Just so this doesn't get taken out of anymore context, see later replies.
We have a big dog (50+Kg), he is as soft but due to his breed can be very protective and guards my wife (and strangely the car) almost constantly. We know this behaviour though and manage it, basically by telling people to just leave him alone and he'll ignore you.
Some people's reactions though to him are just pathetic, he has had people screaming, waving their hands, jumping up walls etc just when he is about. Do these people not realise that's a guaranteed way to get a dogs attention and invoke a reaction? We have to bring him onto a short lead and I've had to tell people a few times to just go forth and multiply. The person who jumped up a wall though, have to admit, I laughed my head off, couldn't help it watching them dangling there, skrieking whilst my dog looked at them like they were crackers.
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc. Last thing I'd ever do is report them! Owner usually apologises, I laugh it off. Doesn't need to be a drama.
Just so this doesn't get taken out of anymore context, see later replies.
Edited by CoreyDog on Monday 21st February 22:14
CoreyDog said:
That's just ridiculous.
We have a big dog (50+Kg), he is as soft but due to his breed can be very protective and guards my wife (and strangely the car) almost constantly. We know this behaviour though and manage it, basically by telling people to just leave him alone and he'll ignore you.
Some people's reactions though to him are just pathetic, he has had people screaming, waving their hands, jumping up walls etc just when he is about. Do these people not realise that's a guaranteed way to get a dogs attention and invoke a reaction? We have to bring him onto a short lead and I've had to tell people a few times to just go forth and multiply. The person who jumped up a wall though, have to admit, I laughed my head off, couldn't help it watching them dangling there, skrieking whilst my dog looked at them like they were crackers.
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc. Last thing I'd ever do is report them! Owner usually apologises, I laugh it off. Doesn't need to be a drama.
The only ridiculous thing here is you and your sWe have a big dog (50+Kg), he is as soft but due to his breed can be very protective and guards my wife (and strangely the car) almost constantly. We know this behaviour though and manage it, basically by telling people to just leave him alone and he'll ignore you.
Some people's reactions though to him are just pathetic, he has had people screaming, waving their hands, jumping up walls etc just when he is about. Do these people not realise that's a guaranteed way to get a dogs attention and invoke a reaction? We have to bring him onto a short lead and I've had to tell people a few times to just go forth and multiply. The person who jumped up a wall though, have to admit, I laughed my head off, couldn't help it watching them dangling there, skrieking whilst my dog looked at them like they were crackers.
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc. Last thing I'd ever do is report them! Owner usually apologises, I laugh it off. Doesn't need to be a drama.
t attitude. First sentence yiu say your dog is ‘soft’ but also he can be very protective to your wife and car, ‘due to his breed’.
Yiu then think it’s funny that innocent MOPs are scared s
tless by this animal, and blame them for ‘not understanding how to behave’ etc. But you yourself explain his ‘protectiveness’ due to his breed. How are innocent MOPs meant to know if is is going to be soft with them or protective toward whoever, ie aggressive toward them?
The fact you think it’s funny, makes you a special type of fool, and a crap dog owner to boot.
As for this French bulldog, clearly much more to this that meets the eye, sounds like two separate incidents at the same visit to the services, perhaps once is careless, twice is belligerence or another owner of a ‘soft’ dog who thinks it is the person that is attacked at fault.
poo at Paul's said:
The only ridiculous thing here is you and your st attitude.
First sentence yiu say your dog is ‘soft’ but also he can be very protective to your wife and car, ‘due to his breed’.
Yiu then think it’s funny that innocent MOPs are scared stless by this animal, and blame them for ‘not understanding how to behave’ etc.
But you yourself explain his ‘protectiveness’ due to his breed. How are innocent MOPs meant to know if is is going to be soft with them or protective toward whoever, ie aggressive toward them?
The fact you think it’s funny, makes you a special type of fool, and a crap dog owner to boot.
As for this French bulldog, clearly much more to this that meets the eye, sounds like two separate incidents at the same visit to the services, perhaps once is careless, twice is belligerence or another owner of a ‘soft’ dog who thinks it is the person that is attacked at fault.
If I see a big dog on a lead,I keep my distance.It's that simple.t attitude. First sentence yiu say your dog is ‘soft’ but also he can be very protective to your wife and car, ‘due to his breed’.
Yiu then think it’s funny that innocent MOPs are scared s
tless by this animal, and blame them for ‘not understanding how to behave’ etc. But you yourself explain his ‘protectiveness’ due to his breed. How are innocent MOPs meant to know if is is going to be soft with them or protective toward whoever, ie aggressive toward them?
The fact you think it’s funny, makes you a special type of fool, and a crap dog owner to boot.
As for this French bulldog, clearly much more to this that meets the eye, sounds like two separate incidents at the same visit to the services, perhaps once is careless, twice is belligerence or another owner of a ‘soft’ dog who thinks it is the person that is attacked at fault.
No need for the histrionics.
poo at Paul's said:
The only ridiculous thing here is you and your st attitude.
First sentence yiu say your dog is ‘soft’ but also he can be very protective to your wife and car, ‘due to his breed’.
Yiu then think it’s funny that innocent MOPs are scared stless by this animal, and blame them for ‘not understanding how to behave’ etc.
But you yourself explain his ‘protectiveness’ due to his breed. How are innocent MOPs meant to know if is is going to be soft with them or protective toward whoever, ie aggressive toward them?
The fact you think it’s funny, makes you a special type of fool, and a crap dog owner to boot.
As for this French bulldog, clearly much more to this that meets the eye, sounds like two separate incidents at the same visit to the services, perhaps once is careless, twice is belligerence or another owner of a ‘soft’ dog who thinks it is the person that is attacked at fault.
Yep, I find people's massive overreactions funny, probably why I'm smiling reading yours t attitude. First sentence yiu say your dog is ‘soft’ but also he can be very protective to your wife and car, ‘due to his breed’.
Yiu then think it’s funny that innocent MOPs are scared s
tless by this animal, and blame them for ‘not understanding how to behave’ etc. But you yourself explain his ‘protectiveness’ due to his breed. How are innocent MOPs meant to know if is is going to be soft with them or protective toward whoever, ie aggressive toward them?
The fact you think it’s funny, makes you a special type of fool, and a crap dog owner to boot.
As for this French bulldog, clearly much more to this that meets the eye, sounds like two separate incidents at the same visit to the services, perhaps once is careless, twice is belligerence or another owner of a ‘soft’ dog who thinks it is the person that is attacked at fault.
Simple, they don't like him, stay away and leave him alone. That's all I want people to do. Don't wave your arms, don't shriek and scream or generally act like a drama queen. Everyone is happy.
CoreyDog said:
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Two questions.When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Do you not know how to behave around dogs yourself? Bruises, bust lips and scratches would suggest not.
Why should anyone have to modify their behaviour because you have a dog?
gazza285 said:
CoreyDog said:
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Two questions.When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Do you not know how to behave around dogs yourself? Bruises, bust lips and scratches would suggest not.
Why should anyone have to modify their behaviour because you have a dog?
Do you stop swearing when small kids are around? If you do, you're modifying your behaviour for someone else's kid.
gazza285 said:
Two questions.
Do you not know how to behave around dogs yourself? Bruises, bust lips and scratches would suggest not.
Why should anyone have to modify their behaviour because you have a dog?
Numerous years spent around and working with Prison GSDs, I'd hope so!Do you not know how to behave around dogs yourself? Bruises, bust lips and scratches would suggest not.
Why should anyone have to modify their behaviour because you have a dog?
I get down to their level, makes you appear less threatening and allows them to approach you at their own pace, some dogs are excitable and jump up. I react to the dog how the dog reacts to me, if it excited and friendly, I'll react the same. Sometimes you get headbutted or clawed, accidents happen. If the dog wants to be left alone, I'll back off, they aren't complex, very easy to read their mood.
I don't expect a modification to behaviour. I'd expect them to leave him alone and give him space and respect. Every single person who owns a dog has met those people who overreact. It gets tiresome.
CraigyMc said:
gazza285 said:
CoreyDog said:
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Two questions.When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Do you not know how to behave around dogs yourself? Bruises, bust lips and scratches would suggest not.
Why should anyone have to modify their behaviour because you have a dog?
Do you stop swearing when small kids are around? If you do, you're modifying your behaviour for someone else's kid.
gazza285 said:
CraigyMc said:
gazza285 said:
CoreyDog said:
If some people knew how to behave around dogs, they would be perfectly fine.
When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Two questions.When we walk him in the forest, have countless dogs come up to us for a fuss. I've had them jump up at me, bruise me, bust lips, scratches etc.
Do you not know how to behave around dogs yourself? Bruises, bust lips and scratches would suggest not.
Why should anyone have to modify their behaviour because you have a dog?
Do you stop swearing when small kids are around? If you do, you're modifying your behaviour for someone else's kid.
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