Cyclists may need to obey speed limits
Discussion
Grant Shapps insists cyclists should be subject to the same laws as motorists including abiding by speed limits, being insured, and carrying identifiable registration plates. Cyclists respond by saying Shapps' proposals are unworkable making him an idiot, imbecile and cretin.
https://road.cc/content/news/shapps-cyclists-be-in...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11117805/...
https://road.cc/content/news/shapps-cyclists-be-in...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11117805/...
TGCOTF-dewey said:
I thought cyclists did have to obey the speed limit?
I certainly try not exceed the NSL when I'm out on my road bike.
... And they're right, he is an idiot.
No. They don’t. I certainly try not exceed the NSL when I'm out on my road bike.
... And they're right, he is an idiot.
But the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is tiny anyway.
Whereas the number of drivers doing so isn’t, along with those uninsured, taxed etc also isn’t.
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Gweeds said:
No. They don’t.
But the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is tiny anyway.
Whereas the number of drivers doing so isn’t, along with those uninsured, taxed etc also isn’t.
Every day's a school day. Isn't it covered by wanton an furious though? But the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is tiny anyway.
Whereas the number of drivers doing so isn’t, along with those uninsured, taxed etc also isn’t.
Good idea, insurance should be a must.
Complications of children and under 18's.
Never happen in reality due to being unworkable.
However completely agree that if you can afford to dress like a t
t in spandex, you can afford £50 to insure it.
What might be a simpler move, is to stop any claims on any insurance for stolen bikes, unless it's specific road insurance which also covers third parties etc.and gradually move people in that direction.
Complications of children and under 18's.
Never happen in reality due to being unworkable.
However completely agree that if you can afford to dress like a t
t in spandex, you can afford £50 to insure it.What might be a simpler move, is to stop any claims on any insurance for stolen bikes, unless it's specific road insurance which also covers third parties etc.and gradually move people in that direction.
Ouroboros said:
I think so really. I never understand a cycle tax that would directly be spent on improving cycle stuff. People are happy to spunk 1ks on a bike an extra 50 quid wouldn't be noticed.
Completely ignoring that VED is based on emissions and vehicle cost... There are at least 2 different types of cyclists. One doing it for fitness on nice bikes and those who have it as the only form of transport they can afford and are cycling on a bike worth <£50 on a good day. Regardless of type, the roads that any cyclist is on (legally) is paid for via council tax. And what about children? Anyway, back to ignoring this populist nonsense that is only there to distract the Daily Mail reader from the cost of living crisis. I'm sure their cold hearts will be warmed slightly by this news making a comeback in January for a day.
Edited by Trif on Wednesday 17th August 08:03
Gweeds said:
But the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is tiny anyway.
Whereas the number of drivers doing so isn’t, along with those uninsured, taxed etc also isn’t.
Graph shows average cycling speeds for new and experienced cyclists (mph v years). Apparently the average for all experienced cyclists between 11 and 60 years exceeds 20 mph.Whereas the number of drivers doing so isn’t, along with those uninsured, taxed etc also isn’t.
https://cyclingadvise.com/average-cycling-speed-by...
Do the majority of cyclists spend thousands on their bike and the same again on kit? Obviously some do, but not many I suspect. I ride my bike more or less daily. It cost £300, plus £100 for some accessories. I have no special clothing, beyond cycle clips and a helmet.
We need to encourage more riders, not put them off with number plates, paperwork, insurance, rules and regs. The roads will be a safer place with fewer cars and more bikes. Central London is flat more or less, inside the Circle Line. There's little reason C. London shouldn't be more like Amsterdam.
We need to encourage more riders, not put them off with number plates, paperwork, insurance, rules and regs. The roads will be a safer place with fewer cars and more bikes. Central London is flat more or less, inside the Circle Line. There's little reason C. London shouldn't be more like Amsterdam.
bigothunter said:
Graph shows average cycling speeds for new and experienced cyclists (mph v years). Apparently the average for all experienced cyclists between 11 and 60 years exceeds 20 mph.
https://cyclingadvise.com/average-cycling-speed-by...
I think my Strava is broken. https://cyclingadvise.com/average-cycling-speed-by...
Saw think the Mail.
Red meat.
The opinion piece supporting it was built around a horse rider's experience of cyclists - hardly something that is going to resonate with many.
Yes, a small number of cyclists make poor choices, which is basically the same as all other human activity. However, anonymity and lack of accountability generally makes people behave worse than when they can be held to account for their decisions.
Insurance sounds sensible - don't the German's have a scheme that works well?
Finally, the uk can't afford (ie voters won't pay) to police existing laws properly - there's zero chance of any new cycling rules being policed anywhere near well enough to make any difference whatsoever (ie escooters, hacked ebikes are virtually immune as it is)
Red meat.
The opinion piece supporting it was built around a horse rider's experience of cyclists - hardly something that is going to resonate with many.
Yes, a small number of cyclists make poor choices, which is basically the same as all other human activity. However, anonymity and lack of accountability generally makes people behave worse than when they can be held to account for their decisions.
Insurance sounds sensible - don't the German's have a scheme that works well?
Finally, the uk can't afford (ie voters won't pay) to police existing laws properly - there's zero chance of any new cycling rules being policed anywhere near well enough to make any difference whatsoever (ie escooters, hacked ebikes are virtually immune as it is)
Anyone who was observant could see this coming as soon as the Highway Code changed to give priority to pedestrians. I run through central London, I’ve never had a problem with a car turning across me on a minor road, but bikes, fk me, they just keep going. Then you get a load of verbal from them.
It will be completely unenforceable though.
k me, they just keep going. Then you get a load of verbal from them.It will be completely unenforceable though.
Hugo a Gogo said:
Average for Strava, bit biased towards people who want to go fast
It's also very clearly wrong. This looks to be much closer to reality using Strava as the source too. https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/bri...To go 20mph on a bike for any significant distance, especially when not drafting, you need a good road bike and to be very fit. The idea that a average 21 year old picking up a bike for the first time in a year is going to average 20mph on a ride longer then a short side street is laughable.
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Gweeds said:
No. They don’t.
But the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is tiny anyway.
Whereas the number of drivers doing so isn’t, along with those uninsured, taxed etc also isn’t.
Every day's a school day. Isn't it covered by wanton an furious though? But the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is tiny anyway.
Whereas the number of drivers doing so isn’t, along with those uninsured, taxed etc also isn’t.
E.g. yesterday evening I was speeding in a 20 limit, by a whole 1 mph at most
A driver overtook me.
At a different point in the ride, I did exceed 25 mph in a 20 - sadly the speedwatch people had packed up.
At a push I can exceed 30 mph on that bike, more easily on my road bike. But, unless downhill, not for long.
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