Private buyer - civil claim?
Discussion
I recently sold some alloy wheels and tyres.
They were advertised on Marketplace, collected in person, paid for in cash.
The listing accurately described the wheels and tyres, the buyer inspected the items before making the payment.
2 days later, the buyer claims that a tyre blew a sidewall and that the TPMS have been removed. He is claiming that the items were misrepresented, put him and his family in danger and would like me to pay for some new TPMS.
I should add that the buyer has conceded in a text exchange that the wheels were as stated and that the tyres appeared ok at the time of purchase, just that I had omitted that the TPMS was either not working or removed.
To my knowledge the TPMS had not been removed but perhaps more importantly was not described in the listing and never discussed as part of the sale.
The buyer has told me to expect a formal claim.
Any advice and thoughts are welcome... hopefully just putting my mind at rest that his claim has zero basis?!
They were advertised on Marketplace, collected in person, paid for in cash.
The listing accurately described the wheels and tyres, the buyer inspected the items before making the payment.
2 days later, the buyer claims that a tyre blew a sidewall and that the TPMS have been removed. He is claiming that the items were misrepresented, put him and his family in danger and would like me to pay for some new TPMS.
I should add that the buyer has conceded in a text exchange that the wheels were as stated and that the tyres appeared ok at the time of purchase, just that I had omitted that the TPMS was either not working or removed.
To my knowledge the TPMS had not been removed but perhaps more importantly was not described in the listing and never discussed as part of the sale.
The buyer has told me to expect a formal claim.
Any advice and thoughts are welcome... hopefully just putting my mind at rest that his claim has zero basis?!
I wouldn't worry about it.
There are so many insurmountable thresholds between him saying it and you actually having to defend yourself that it's just never going to happen.
A person who buys second-hand wheels and tyres instead of new ones is not the sort of person who has the resources to frivolously engage in pointless legal action.
There are so many insurmountable thresholds between him saying it and you actually having to defend yourself that it's just never going to happen.
A person who buys second-hand wheels and tyres instead of new ones is not the sort of person who has the resources to frivolously engage in pointless legal action.
Canon_Fodder said:
Janosh said:
I should add that the buyer has conceded in a text exchange that the wheels were as stated and that the tyres appeared ok at the time of purchase, just that I had omitted that the TPMS was either not working or removed.
take a screenshot of that OPEven if they had working TPMS, the buyer would need to read them and code them to the car, so he plainly didn’t bother doing this or the query would have been when fitting, not post puncture.
Any normal person would swap the ones from the old rims to save hassle.
If he wanted TPMS, he should have looked for a listing offering them, and you say you didn’t mention it.
Any normal person would swap the ones from the old rims to save hassle.
If he wanted TPMS, he should have looked for a listing offering them, and you say you didn’t mention it.
More recent than 10 - 15 years.
I had a 2011 car until last year, and currently have a 2009 Mercedes, neither have TPMS. Nor does my FIL's 2008 Honda Accord or my sister's 2015 Vauxhall. I was recently getting an oil change at a place last week and they were struggling to reset the TPMS on a 2014 Hyundai ix35. Some cars, all 4 are the same part number, on others it isn't.
It's another thing to go wrong IMHO and is for people who never glance at their tyres.
I had a 2011 car until last year, and currently have a 2009 Mercedes, neither have TPMS. Nor does my FIL's 2008 Honda Accord or my sister's 2015 Vauxhall. I was recently getting an oil change at a place last week and they were struggling to reset the TPMS on a 2014 Hyundai ix35. Some cars, all 4 are the same part number, on others it isn't.
It's another thing to go wrong IMHO and is for people who never glance at their tyres.
sixor8 said:
It's another thing to go wrong IMHO and is for people who never glance at their tyres.
Only on active systems, the passive ones just use the wheel speed sensors and a calculation to identify a mismatch in road speed from the calibrated amount, the system is just software in existing modules. All new cars built in the EU from some point in 2014 have it.Active systems with transducers in the wheel are indeed something else to fail, but are decently accurate.
Janosh said:
Thanks for the replies all.. I’ve taken snaps of the listing and subsequent thread / debate.
Given that I never mentioned TMPS in the listing or in any narrative prior to purchase, I feel that this is a closed case.
Nonetheless, thanks for the reassurance.
I can't see him getting anywhere! Given that I never mentioned TMPS in the listing or in any narrative prior to purchase, I feel that this is a closed case.
Nonetheless, thanks for the reassurance.
If he does pursue it he has to prove you misdescribed them and given you have copies of the listing and the later discussion how can he?
Assuming the TPMS are the valve type ones he could have seen that they weren't there when he collected them!
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