Abandoned car - on (my) private land
Abandoned car - on (my) private land
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Muppet007

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450 posts

68 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Hi,

I've googled this question and looked in the forums but can't find a good answer for my problem.

Tenant has moved out and left and old, knackered car on my drive. Last MOT & Taxed in 2016. Its full of crap, looks like its been in a crash and has not moved in years.

My local council website for abandoned car just says "contact the land owner" in this situation. I am the land owner but I can't find a good answer if I can just call up scrap company to come collect and get rid of it.

Reading a few of the local scrap yard / car collection websites, they say I either need the V5 or keys. I have nether.

Any advice would be grateful received.

Thanks




rev-erend

21,603 posts

307 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Tow or drag it on to the public road. It's then the local council problem.

aterribleusername

447 posts

86 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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I have this problem where I live regularly with tenants moving out of flats and leaving cars behind. One landlord just applied for a new logbook that came to the flat then changed it to his name then scrapped it, a bit naughty but then it was a very knackered Focus so no-one really cared. Others have been dealt with by the management company by trying to contact the owner at the last known address (ie it comes to the flat and is then ignored) then they leave a laminated note on it for so many days before it's removed by grabber crane. Currently got an X3 sat awaiting that fate as the Volvo that had been here since February went on the weekend.

Old Merc

3,796 posts

190 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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I`m sure you could find a "traveler Type" scraper who will not ask questions, drag it on the back of a pickup and disappear.

BrettMRC

5,563 posts

183 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Apply for the V5 and then get it removed?

gsr121

155 posts

143 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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What does the tenancy agreement say in respect of property left at the Property after the agreement has ended. I suspect this might be a tenancy law question, rather than a general law question.

Have a look at landlordzone forums, I think similar questions have been asked, albeit in respect of belongings left inside the property, but I suspect the principle will be the same.

Far Cough

2,475 posts

191 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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BrettMRC said:
Apply for the V5 and then get it removed?
This. So easy to do.

vaud

58,063 posts

178 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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gsr121 said:
What does the tenancy agreement say in respect of property left at the Property after the agreement has ended. I suspect this might be a tenancy law question, rather than a general law question.

Have a look at landlordzone forums, I think similar questions have been asked, albeit in respect of belongings left inside the property, but I suspect the principle will be the same.
https://www.landlordvision.co.uk/blog/tenant-leave...

Muppet007

Original Poster:

450 posts

68 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Old Merc said:
I`m sure you could find a "traveler Type" scraper who will not ask questions, drag it on the back of a pickup and disappear.
I had thought about this and might make a few phone calls smile


Far Cough said:
This. So easy to do.
Not if I don't know the address the car is registered at frown, and its not mine (might not even be in his name, he is dodgy as the day is long).

gsr121 said:
What does the tenancy agreement say in respect of property left at the Property after the agreement has ended. I suspect this might be a tenancy law question, rather than a general law question.

Have a look at landlordzone forums, I think similar questions have been asked, albeit in respect of belongings left inside the property, but I suspect the principle will be the same.
Thanks will take a look.


PurpleTurtle

8,656 posts

167 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Muppet007 said:
Old Merc said:
I`m sure you could find a "traveler Type" scraper who will not ask questions, drag it on the back of a pickup and disappear.
I had thought about this and might make a few phone calls smile
Trouble is that once this "unofficial recycler" has had his money's worth he will just fly tip the rest, making it someone else's problem.

It sounds properly abandoned. Please just be a responsible landlord and apply for a V5, get it in your name, then scrap it via a licensed operator.

Any cost involved surely has to be treated as one of those incidental expensed of being a landlord, yes?

julian64

14,325 posts

277 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Far Cough said:
BrettMRC said:
Apply for the V5 and then get it removed?
This. So easy to do.
And its all totally free


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SiH

1,852 posts

270 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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I don't think it's quite as simple as getting rid of it now; I believe, in the words of BV72, that you have become the 'involuntary bailee' of the car and you don't have the right to just scrap it immediately. As I understand it you have the obligation to contact the owner and give them notice of your intent to have it removed in a time-frame that has to be reasonable. I think you can charge storage fees but I would be wary of just having the car removed without doing a bit more digging about what might happen.

KungFuPanda

4,585 posts

193 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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SiH said:
I don't think it's quite as simple as getting rid of it now; I believe, in the words of BV72, that you have become the 'involuntary bailee' of the car and you don't have the right to just scrap it immediately. As I understand it you have the obligation to contact the owner and give them notice of your intent to have it removed in a time-frame that has to be reasonable. I think you can charge storage fees but I would be wary of just having the car removed without doing a bit more digging about what might happen.
Yes, contact the owner at their last known address ie your address. They won't receive this then you can scrap it.

Use Form V62 got get a V5c in your name and you can then properly dispose.

Flumpo

4,024 posts

96 months

Monday 17th October 2022
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Get a set of these and leave it considerately parked in the street.


808 Estate

2,570 posts

114 months

Tuesday 18th October 2022
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Invoice them for parking.

OutInTheShed

13,081 posts

49 months

Tuesday 18th October 2022
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Would it be possible to get the keeper's current address from DVLA, contact them and go from there?

Assuming it's not some star of the 'classics left to die' thread I'd probably just try to get the V5 and scrap it, but if it was something remotely interesting I might advertise it on ebay, even if people just rob parts from it.


NMNeil

5,860 posts

73 months

HantsRat

2,406 posts

131 months

Tuesday 18th October 2022
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NMNeil said:
Private land. Council won't touch it.

BertBert

20,911 posts

234 months

Tuesday 18th October 2022
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aterribleusername said:
I have this problem where I live regularly with tenants moving out of flats and leaving cars behind. One landlord just applied for a new logbook that came to the flat then changed it to his name then scrapped it, a bit naughty but then it was a very knackered Focus so no-one really cared. Others have been dealt with by the management company by trying to contact the owner at the last known address (ie it comes to the flat and is then ignored) then they leave a laminated note on it for so many days before it's removed by grabber crane. Currently got an X3 sat awaiting that fate as the Volvo that had been here since February went on the weekend.
So who do they get to move it then with the grabber crane?

Yellow Lizud

2,794 posts

187 months

Tuesday 18th October 2022
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HantsRat said:
NMNeil said:
Private land. Council won't touch it.
Quote from the first line on the government website (as linked to above).

From Gov Website said:
Duty to remove abandoned vehicles

Councils and national park authorities (authorities) must remove abandoned vehicles from:

land in the open air (including private land)