Speeding drivers to be fined by Wandsworth Council
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Speeding drivers to be fined by Wandsworth Council
Drivers in south west London are the first in England to face being fined by a local council for speeding.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63322...
Drivers in south west London are the first in England to face being fined by a local council for speeding.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63322...
Riley Blue said:
Only brain dead drivers speed in residential areas so I'd rather the council fine them than install speed bumps that affect everyone.
If you're talking 30mph residential areas I'd agree, however if you're talking the pointless, borough wide 20mph zones I'd disagree entirely - literally everybody speeds and is completely justified in doing so.I struggle to see how these fines would be enforceable - speeding is not a delegated thing like parking, blocking a junction etc are and I doubt the cameras would be properly calibrated
kiethton said:
Riley Blue said:
Only brain dead drivers speed in residential areas so I'd rather the council fine them than install speed bumps that affect everyone.
If you're talking 30mph residential areas I'd agree, however if you're talking the pointless, borough wide 20mph zones I'd disagree entirely - literally everybody speeds and is completely justified in doing so.I struggle to see how these fines would be enforceable - speeding is not a delegated thing like parking, blocking a junction etc are and I doubt the cameras would be properly calibrated
30mph enforcement is justifiable; 20mph far less so.
Are the fines enforceable?
Speeding isn't like parking. With Parking the council can fine you and impose a extra penalty if you do not pay promptly. The courts are not involved.
With speeding, the Police often offer a fine & points in lieu of prosecution. If you don't accept the points and cough up, it's off to the courts where the penalty is usually more severe.
Will the CPS be accepting speeding cases from Wandsworth council?
Speeding isn't like parking. With Parking the council can fine you and impose a extra penalty if you do not pay promptly. The courts are not involved.
With speeding, the Police often offer a fine & points in lieu of prosecution. If you don't accept the points and cough up, it's off to the courts where the penalty is usually more severe.
Will the CPS be accepting speeding cases from Wandsworth council?
Same thought from me; what power does a council have to issue fines for a criminal road traffic offence?
Without wanting to sound like a grumpy old barsteward, local authorities are gaining far too much clout where roads are concerned IMHO; I intensely dislike the concept of different areas having free reign to implement whatever assorted LEZ/congestion charge/diesel bans happen to take their fancy, as well. This is not America, we're a small country and legislation should be consistent not random based on the whims of a bunch of local bigwigs. Grrr!
Without wanting to sound like a grumpy old barsteward, local authorities are gaining far too much clout where roads are concerned IMHO; I intensely dislike the concept of different areas having free reign to implement whatever assorted LEZ/congestion charge/diesel bans happen to take their fancy, as well. This is not America, we're a small country and legislation should be consistent not random based on the whims of a bunch of local bigwigs. Grrr!
More reading for those who care .. https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/...
It seems to address every question so far.
It seems to address every question so far.
LosingGrip said:
Not a bad idea. I think most will like it more as you don’t get points and will get a discount from paying early.
Although can see it causing problems when stopped by police and given points and can’t get a discount.
the police dont enforce the 20mph zone (at least in SE London) they don't even follow it, every police car i follow does 30 in 20 zones, as do the buses Although can see it causing problems when stopped by police and given points and can’t get a discount.
"Our latest traffic survey for Wimbledon Park Road indicates that 52% of vehicles exceed 20mph."
Should tell you it's a load of s
t then and to do something different or maybe they just want the money.
However, Wimbledon Park Road will likely become home to many car enthusiast who can't afford a trip to Mexico or the strip and will go there instead.
Should tell you it's a load of s
t then and to do something different or maybe they just want the money.However, Wimbledon Park Road will likely become home to many car enthusiast who can't afford a trip to Mexico or the strip and will go there instead.
kiethton said:
Riley Blue said:
Only brain dead drivers speed in residential areas so I'd rather the council fine them than install speed bumps that affect everyone.
If you're talking 30mph residential areas I'd agree, however if you're talking the pointless, borough wide 20mph zones I'd disagree entirely - literally everybody speeds and is completely justified in doing so.I struggle to see how these fines would be enforceable - speeding is not a delegated thing like parking, blocking a junction etc are and I doubt the cameras would be properly calibrated
Council said they cannot enforce them, is the job of the police who they can ask come down and get the radar guns out. If the council can enforce the limits, employing a few people with radar guns is probably going to be very, very lucrative for the council.
At the moment 20 mph lanes are lethal IF you drive at 19 on the GPS. Is the most blood pressure raising part of my daily commute, the tailgating and dangerous overtakes are scary.
Dave Hedgehog said:
LosingGrip said:
Not a bad idea. I think most will like it more as you don’t get points and will get a discount from paying early.
Although can see it causing problems when stopped by police and given points and can’t get a discount.
the police dont enforce the 20mph zone (at least in SE London) they don't even follow it, every police car i follow does 30 in 20 zones, as do the buses Although can see it causing problems when stopped by police and given points and can’t get a discount.
It's so bad now that many motorists stick to 20 even in the 30s and the rare 40s.
Drives me nuts especially as no one is enforcing it and I only know of one 20 speed camera.
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