Please help, traffic light no right turn
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It depends where it happened
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/councils-in-e...
Councils can apply to enforce moving traffic offences, of which this is one.
Pretty sure red circles give orders, and a strike through is a "no".
A copper would probably pull you for it if they had nothing else on.
Yellow box junctions have had CCTV cover across London for quite a while, but just not sure whether councils out of London have got CCTV infrastructure in place yet to pick these sorts of transgressions up yet.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/councils-in-e...
Councils can apply to enforce moving traffic offences, of which this is one.
Pretty sure red circles give orders, and a strike through is a "no".
A copper would probably pull you for it if they had nothing else on.
Yellow box junctions have had CCTV cover across London for quite a while, but just not sure whether councils out of London have got CCTV infrastructure in place yet to pick these sorts of transgressions up yet.
Petecollinge said:
To me it’s kind of contradictory as the blue is a order but the red is a instruction
So it’s saying your ordered to only continue straight but we’re advising/telling you don’t turn right ?
Wrong way round. Circular signs with a white background and red border are absolute instructions. The blue sign is an advisory.So it’s saying your ordered to only continue straight but we’re advising/telling you don’t turn right ?
More than one person on this thread needs to brush up on their signs (and these are two of the most basic ones). Neither of these is advisory, and they don't contradict each other. They are arguably saying the same thing depending on whether there is also a left turn option, so you could say that on of them is a bit redundant.
Blue sign with white arrow means "ahead only"
The other is "no right turn"
It'll most likely be a PCN from the council if anything, I'd have thought
Blue sign with white arrow means "ahead only"
The other is "no right turn"
It'll most likely be a PCN from the council if anything, I'd have thought
Edited by whimsical ninja on Saturday 29th October 14:50
MustangGT said:
Wrong way round. Circular signs with a white background and red border are absolute instructions. The blue sign is an advisory.
Wrong again.Both types of sign require compliance. Neither are advisory.
In general, circular signs with a red edge convey a limit or a prohibition. With some signs this is reinforced with a red diagonal. Blue circular signs convey a positive instruction that must be obeyed (or a minimum speed).
One notable exception is the “Stop” sign, which is red and octagonal, and conveys a positive (and mandatory) instruction.
Just thought of another notable exception: the “Give Way” sign, which is an upside-down white triangle with a red edge. Again, a positive mandatory instruction.
Edited by Dr Mike Oxgreen on Saturday 29th October 15:48
I don't think so!The photo also shows a green arrow which is another mandatory instruction.
The signing may seem a bit confusing but the reality is it is pretty clear that a driver should only move ahead.
The probability that the operator, Police, or civilian, was paying sufficient attention to the screen at the precise moment the OP’s lapse of attention occurred is, potentially, quite low. Perhaps 10 - 20 screens up at any time.
The signing may seem a bit confusing but the reality is it is pretty clear that a driver should only move ahead.
The probability that the operator, Police, or civilian, was paying sufficient attention to the screen at the precise moment the OP’s lapse of attention occurred is, potentially, quite low. Perhaps 10 - 20 screens up at any time.
Donbot said:
Bang to rights.
Though if it is CCTV only and not an automatic camera it would rely on someone watching you do it and reporting it. Which is highly unlikely unless the camera operators have a particular interest in that junction.
Indeed, I would not worry too much OP. Though if it is CCTV only and not an automatic camera it would rely on someone watching you do it and reporting it. Which is highly unlikely unless the camera operators have a particular interest in that junction.
We have a roundabout near me where there are loads of CCTV cameras (they are quite high up) and you can go online yourself to monitor the area, where you will see almost non-stop that people jump the lights and get stuck in the yellow box junctions around it.
A quick check with the council and it turns out these are traffic monitoring cameras, not used to record or report offences.
In Essex we do tend to be warned if a junction has cameras (speed or traffic light) so I would hope as you did not see such signs, all should be OK.
Can you not go online to check if there are cameras at the junction and what type?
Pica-Pica said:
That's just a simplification. Rectangular signs can give orders, even if you justify that as "giving information" about the existence of an order.The general convention stems from the Vienna Convention. But legally speaking, the actual definitions come from TSRGD.
Rectangular signs giving information include the aforementioned motorway one, although this example is more clearly an order rather than information (I'd pushed my bike past a "no vehicles" sign to get to this point. This road isn't intended for the general public, I'm just nosy sometimes).
Other examples include one way traffic signs, and cycle/bus lane signs.
And let's not forget the classic of the genre:
Edited by Solocle on Sunday 30th October 00:06
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