32mph in a 30mph

[J2daG1990]

Are we still of the collective mindset that there is no way someone can get a letter for speeding doing 32mph in a 30mph?

I'm a member of a local residents group on FB and someone is adamant they have been given 3 points and a £100 fine for doing 32mph and were moaning about being told they never received his paper license when he sent it off along with the letter.

Trying to ask him them for a redacted copy of the letter but not sure if I'll get one...

[Koyaanisqatsi]

J2daG1990 said:

Are we still of the collective mindset that there is no way someone can get a letter for speeding doing 32mph in a 30mph?

I'm a member of a local residents group on FB and someone is adamant they have been given 3 points and a £100 fine for doing 32mph and were moaning about being told they never received his paper license when he sent it off along with the letter.

Trying to ask him them for a redacted copy of the letter but not sure if I'll get one...

Lost interest after 'local residents group on FB' to be honest, but 32 in a 30 is indeed speeding, is it not?

[SteveStrange]

J2daG1990 said:

Are we still of the collective mindset that there is no way someone can get a letter for speeding doing 32mph in a 30mph?

I'm a member of a local residents group on FB and someone is adamant they have been given 3 points and a £100 fine for doing 32mph and were moaning about being told they never received his paper license when he sent it off along with the letter.

Trying to ask him them for a redacted copy of the letter but not sure if I'll get one...

Bet it was 32 in a 20 limit/zone... Do you know the road/site?

[J2daG1990]

Koyaanisqatsi said:

Lost interest after 'local residents group on FB' to be honest, but 32 in a 30 is indeed speeding, is it not?

I'm not arguing the fact it's speeding, I'm sure in every thread that's popped up in the last few years posters have always said, including agtlaw, that they never believed it to be true and no one has proved they received a letter for 32mph in a 30mph.

[J2daG1990]

SteveStrange said:

Bet it was 32 in a 20 limit/zone... Do you know the road/site?

Hawley Road, Dartford, Kent. Haven't driven it in years, but I remember there being a short 30mph section whilst most of it was 40mph. Possible roadworks at this time of year though.

[Oceanrower]

I’ll absolutely guarantee he didn’t!

[OutInTheShed]

Technically perhaps, one could be doing 32mph, and the cop's measurement could indicate a higher speed.
We should remember that part of the reason for a tolerance is to allow for measurement error.

[boyse7en]

OutInTheShed said:

Technically perhaps, one could be doing 32mph, and the cop's measurement could indicate a higher speed.
We should remember that part of the reason for a tolerance is to allow for measurement error.

Wrong way round. The tolerance is to allow for errors on the speedo of the car, not the calibrated equipment the police use.

[OutInTheShed]

boyse7en said:

Wrong way round. The tolerance is to allow for errors on the speedo of the car, not the calibrated equipment the police use.

You might think that, but the tolerance on speedo's is +zero, minus some.

If the plod measures your speed as over the (limit plus tolerance), you can be nicked.

There will always be an uncertainty in a measurement.

[Pica-Pica]

Koyaanisqatsi said:

J2daG1990 said:

Are we still of the collective mindset that there is no way someone can get a letter for speeding doing 32mph in a 30mph?

I'm a member of a local residents group on FB and someone is adamant they have been given 3 points and a £100 fine for doing 32mph and were moaning about being told they never received his paper license when he sent it off along with the letter.

Trying to ask him them for a redacted copy of the letter but not sure if I'll get one...

Lost interest after 'local residents group on FB' to be honest, but 32 in a 30 is indeed speeding, is it not?

I lost interest after ‘license’.

[BertBert]

Well, we'll be delighted to see the proof, you could go down in PH history OP as the one who debunked the (mostly) accepted belief

[Pica-Pica]

Koyaanisqatsi said:

J2daG1990 said:

Are we still of the collective mindset that there is no way someone can get a letter for speeding doing 32mph in a 30mph?

I'm a member of a local residents group on FB and someone is adamant they have been given 3 points and a £100 fine for doing 32mph and were moaning about being told they never received his paper license when he sent it off along with the letter.

Trying to ask him them for a redacted copy of the letter but not sure if I'll get one...

Lost interest after 'local residents group on FB' to be honest, but 32 in a 30 is indeed speeding, is it not?

I lost interest after ‘license’.

[MustangGT]

OutInTheShed said:

You might think that, but the tolerance on speedo's is +zero, minus some.

If the plod measures your speed as over the (limit plus tolerance), you can be nicked.

There will always be an uncertainty in a measurement.

A vehicle speedo is NOT permitted to under-read, however it is allowed to over-read so most manufacturers build in a safety net and set them to over-read slightly, less over now than in the last century. The tolerance you are talking about is exactly the point of this thread. The police will allow a tolerance over the speed limit before they prosecute. This is not because of any errors in their equipment, the equipment is regularly calibrated. It is to allow a small error of judgement, or, not driving by watching the speedo so speed may creep a bit.

[sospan]

Yesterday I was in a garage for my car MOT. While there a man came in, claimed to have been done twice for 31 in a 30 zone. I know the fixed camera location. He was also whinging about being held up by a car going “too slow”. Came across as a bit of a NOB.
I don’t believe his 31 speed. Didn’t engage in a Q/A to get details.
I don’t believe him.

[snuffy]

freedman said:

They abolished the Counterpart driving licence 7 years ago....

He could still have a paper licence.

[iphonedyou]

Koyaanisqatsi said:

Lost interest after 'local residents group on FB' to be honest, but 32 in a 30 is indeed speeding, is it not?

Wasn't his question, though.

[916]

To the best of my knowledge, a person wouldn’t get reported by a camera (fixed or mobile) for 32 in a 30.

However a police officer could report someone for 32 in a 30, essentially making reference to NPCC (formally ACPO) guidelines and justifying why they have defied them.

An example could be snow/ice on the road or thick fog.
A defence solicitor may make reference to this in court and try a line of defence, but ultimately a person could still get convicted.

[Oceanrower]

[redacted]

[sixor8]

£100 and 3 points for 32 in a 30mph limit, with no speed awareness course option?

[Glenn63]

When I did a speed awareness course I was told most forces use the 10% +2 but they don’t have to it’s up to each force what tolerance they decide to use and they could fine you for 1 mph over as your breaking the limit.