Stopping speeding vehicles: Electronically
Discussion
I often see those Police pursuit videos on TV / YouTube.
If they don’t crash, then a stinger or T- Pac is deployed.
I’ve often wondered, & now, especially with EV’s... couldn’t they be brought to a safe halt by a gradual de acceleration.
The doors could also be locked to prevent a decamp.
A bit sci-fi I know...but surely it’s in the realms of possibility, & would be a much safer & cheaper solution.
( And a stolen vehicle can returned to its relieved owner, hopefully in a good condition... keeping the insurers happy(ier)
If they don’t crash, then a stinger or T- Pac is deployed.
I’ve often wondered, & now, especially with EV’s... couldn’t they be brought to a safe halt by a gradual de acceleration.
The doors could also be locked to prevent a decamp.
A bit sci-fi I know...but surely it’s in the realms of possibility, & would be a much safer & cheaper solution.
( And a stolen vehicle can returned to its relieved owner, hopefully in a good condition... keeping the insurers happy(ier)
Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 16th November 15:27
Evanivitch said:
If you create a backdoor for "law enforcement" then you always create a back door for criminals.
This has been demonstrated time and time again.
Theresa May wasted a best part of a decade failing to understand this very simple point in regards to encrypted digital communications.
You're right, but a back door to do what? Bring a car to a halt?This has been demonstrated time and time again.
Theresa May wasted a best part of a decade failing to understand this very simple point in regards to encrypted digital communications.
If criminals want to steal a car they can either do it when its stationary or force the driver to stop by driving in front or into them.
As for hacking - it certainly is possible, but if it was something buried in the ECU, rather than being an addon module, then your average person wouldn't be able to remove it, since it would be the manufacturer integrating it. Obviously seriously determined people could probably patch it out, but your average thief would have to assume that any given car can be just brought to a halt in much the same way as they already assume certain cars have trackers, etc and treat them accordingly.
It would be hacked by someone and used for mischief no doubt and anyone that didn't want it on their vehicle would "know a guy" who would map it out for a few quid. Alright, it might be good for stopping stolen cars but otherwise it would be all too easy to fiddle with. Criminals can bypass billions of pounds worth of investment to steal a car with not much more than an iPad. They'd crack this within a week I'd say.
For stopping cars, I liked the idea of the stinger net thing demonstrated on the Internet a while ago. It's a stinger as we know it but it also has a net behind it on the floor that grips into the tyres and binds everything up, stopping the car in its tracks. No driving around on rims throwing sparks everywhere and gouging roads out then. Less use at 100+mph I suspect than a gradual deceleration.
For stopping cars, I liked the idea of the stinger net thing demonstrated on the Internet a while ago. It's a stinger as we know it but it also has a net behind it on the floor that grips into the tyres and binds everything up, stopping the car in its tracks. No driving around on rims throwing sparks everywhere and gouging roads out then. Less use at 100+mph I suspect than a gradual deceleration.
Durzel said:
You're right, but a back door to do what? Bring a car to a halt?
If criminals want to steal a car they can either do it when its stationary or force the driver to stop by driving in front or into them.
What if they just wanted to create a road block of cars to obstruct the police? Or they wanted to steal a car/rob someone in a secluded stretch of road?If criminals want to steal a car they can either do it when its stationary or force the driver to stop by driving in front or into them.
There's plenty of scenarios.
Durzel said:
As for hacking - it certainly is possible, but if it was something buried in the ECU, rather than being an addon module, then your average person wouldn't be able to remove it, since it would be the manufacturer integrating it. Obviously seriously determined people could probably patch it out, but your average thief would have to assume that any given car can be just brought to a halt in much the same way as they already assume certain cars have trackers, etc and treat them accordingly.
Given the current rate of car thefts using sophisticated means, I'm not really full of faith that the automobile industry or the standards authorities have the will to implement a robust solution.This one is quite old but shows the possibilities
https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/tesl...
And this one how bad the car manufacturers are at security
https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/from...
https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/tesl...
And this one how bad the car manufacturers are at security
https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/from...
Edited by IJWS15 on Friday 18th November 09:48
otolith said:
One major drawback with this system though...Quote: It won’t work on cars from the mid seventies or older.
Durzel said:
Evanivitch said:
If you create a backdoor for "law enforcement" then you always create a back door for criminals.
This has been demonstrated time and time again.
Theresa May wasted a best part of a decade failing to understand this very simple point in regards to encrypted digital communications.
You're right, but a back door to do what? Bring a car to a halt?This has been demonstrated time and time again.
Theresa May wasted a best part of a decade failing to understand this very simple point in regards to encrypted digital communications.
If criminals want to steal a car they can either do it when its stationary or force the driver to stop by driving in front or into them.
As for hacking - it certainly is possible, but if it was something buried in the ECU, rather than being an addon module, then your average person wouldn't be able to remove it, since it would be the manufacturer integrating it. Obviously seriously determined people could probably patch it out, but your average thief would have to assume that any given car can be just brought to a halt in much the same way as they already assume certain cars have trackers, etc and treat them accordingly.
Milkyway said:
I often see those Police pursuit videos on TV / YouTube.
If they don’t crash, then a stinger or T- Pac is deployed.
I’ve often wondered, & now, especially with EV’s... couldn’t they be brought to a safe halt by a gradual de acceleration.
The doors could also be locked to prevent a decamp.
A bit sci-fi I know...but surely it’s in the realms of possibility, & would be a much safer & cheaper solution.
( And a stolen vehicle can returned to its relieved owner, hopefully in a good condition... keeping the insurers happy(ier)
Baddies tend not to select electric vehicles for their getaway and joyriding antics. Even crims have standards.If they don’t crash, then a stinger or T- Pac is deployed.
I’ve often wondered, & now, especially with EV’s... couldn’t they be brought to a safe halt by a gradual de acceleration.
The doors could also be locked to prevent a decamp.
A bit sci-fi I know...but surely it’s in the realms of possibility, & would be a much safer & cheaper solution.
( And a stolen vehicle can returned to its relieved owner, hopefully in a good condition... keeping the insurers happy(ier)
Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 16th November 15:27
Louis Balfour said:
Baddies tend not to select electric vehicles for their getaway and joyriding antics. Even crims have standards.
Joyriding an i3...https://youtu.be/M4lXthHJUw4
This was notable enough to make the news, mind
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