Met Police officer charged with two rapes

[s1962a]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63914...

A few of these types of stories coming out this year. Hope they can clear the rot from our police forces.

[anonymous-user]

s1962a said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63914...

A few of these types of stories coming out this year. Hope they can clear the rot from our police forces.

Don't worry, the usual lot will be along in the moment....

"One bad apple."
"How many patients get raped by doctors."
"I've been in the job 20+ years and never heard of it in my force" etc etc.

I hope they clear the fungus out as well.

[ED209]

Charged not found guilty. If he is found guilty then lock him up for a long time.

[blue_haddock]

And then you have this where an officer is named and dragged through the mud only to be found innocent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...

[anonymous-user]

blue_haddock said:

And then you have this where an officer is named and dragged through the mud only to be found innocent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...

Not quite there yet...

"...the defendant still faced a further indictment relating to a single allegedly indecent image - a charge he described as a "menial matter by comparison" and granted Mr Hoile bail."

[Lopey]

blue_haddock said:

And then you have this where an officer is named and dragged through the mud only to be found innocent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...

Being found "Not guilty" is not the same as being found "innocent".

[gt_12345]

blue_haddock said:

And then you have this where an officer is named and dragged through the mud only to be found innocent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-6...

They should really stop that. It's disgusting.

[pavarotti1980]

Lopey said:

Being found "Not guilty" is not the same as being found "innocent".

How exactly would you be found "innocent" in court. Is that another option now given to a jury

[anonymous-user]

pavarotti1980 said:

Lopey said:

Being found "Not guilty" is not the same as being found "innocent".

How exactly would you be found "innocent" in court. Is that another option now given to a jury

Why isn't that option given to a jury?

[GranpaB]

FWIU, not guilty is when there was enough evidence to charge, but the jury wasnt buying it, and innocent is when you are released without charge?

[Drawweight]

GranpaB said:

FWIU, not guilty is when there was enough evidence to charge, but the jury wasnt buying it, and innocent is when you are released without charge?

Wow…so everyone who goes to court is really guilty but sometimes the evidence isn’t strong enough?

Why bother with a jury at all if they’re really all guilty?

[GranpaB]

Drawweight said:

GranpaB said:

FWIU, not guilty is when there was enough evidence to charge, but the jury wasnt buying it, and innocent is when you are released without charge?

Wow…so everyone who goes to court is really guilty but sometimes the evidence isn’t strong enough?

Why bother with a jury at all if they’re really all guilty?

I missed a bit from the start of my post which was supposed to be 'I thought..'

[Drawweight]

GranpaB said:

Drawweight said:

GranpaB said:

FWIU, not guilty is when there was enough evidence to charge, but the jury wasnt buying it, and innocent is when you are released without charge?

Wow…so everyone who goes to court is really guilty but sometimes the evidence isn’t strong enough?

Why bother with a jury at all if they’re really all guilty?

I missed a bit from the start of my post which was supposed to be 'I thought..'

[anonymous-user]

The only thing of any significance is surely "guilty".

Anything else means that the individual has not been found to have committed the offence, and are free to get on their lives. It really doesn't matter by what measure, if they aren't guilty then they're innocent.

Being charged and being convicted are two completely different things, and this idea that someone is fair game as soon as they're charged - an idea that seems to be enthusiastically perpetuated by both the media and the authorities - really is long overdue some proper scrutiny. As per the poor sod in the earlier case linked above, who will have had his life ripped apart due to a completely false accusation. It stinks and it needs sorting.

None of that is a reflection on this particular case, but it's food for thought!

[anonymous-user]

Southerner said:

The only thing of any significance is surely "guilty".

Anything else means that the individual has not been found to have committed the offence, and are free to get on their lives. It really doesn't matter by what measure, if they aren't guilty then they're innocent.

Being charged and being convicted are two completely different things, and this idea that someone is fair game as soon as they're charged - an idea that seems to be enthusiastically perpetuated by both the media and the authorities - really is long overdue some proper scrutiny. As per the poor sod in the earlier case linked above, who will have had his life ripped apart due to a completely false accusation. It stinks and it needs sorting.

None of that is a reflection on this particular case, but it's food for thought!

When you say authorities do you mean police? I do work for both prosecution and defence and can honestly say I’ve never experienced the prosecution enthusiastically perpetuating the defendant as fair game when they’re charged. Police and prosecution actions are strictly legislated for both pre and post charge.

[anonymous-user]

sebdangerfield said:

Southerner said:

The only thing of any significance is surely "guilty".

Anything else means that the individual has not been found to have committed the offence, and are free to get on their lives. It really doesn't matter by what measure, if they aren't guilty then they're innocent.

Being charged and being convicted are two completely different things, and this idea that someone is fair game as soon as they're charged - an idea that seems to be enthusiastically perpetuated by both the media and the authorities - really is long overdue some proper scrutiny. As per the poor sod in the earlier case linked above, who will have had his life ripped apart due to a completely false accusation. It stinks and it needs sorting.

None of that is a reflection on this particular case, but it's food for thought!

When you say authorities do you mean police? I do work for both prosecution and defence and can honestly say I’ve never experienced the prosecution enthusiastically perpetuating the defendant as fair game when they’re charged. Police and prosecution actions are strictly legislated for both pre and post charge.

More an issue with media I guess really, "the authorities" was probably a tad unfair. I disagree with the release of details on account of a person being charged, which is something that only "the authorities" have the power to change, of course.

[Mr Miata]

Lopey said:

Being found "Not guilty" is not the same as being found "innocent".

Actually it is. As the case wasn’t strong enough to prove beyond doubt the accused was guilty.

Remember that people are innocent until proven guilty.

[Drawweight]

MrBogSmith said:

Best thing the Met can do is keep purging the rot (assuming guilty etc).

pocketspring said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Lopey said:

Being found "Not guilty" is not the same as being found "innocent".

How exactly would you be found "innocent" in court. Is that another option now given to a jury

Why isn't that option given to a jury?

Because innocence is presumed.

And if you had 'found innocent' you'd then need a middle-ground verdict where the jury aren't sure of innocence or guilt.

What a mess.

Then you would have the Scottish verdict of ‘not proven’ imho a cop out which leaves the defendant at the mercy of public opinion.

[surveyor_101]

s1962a said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63914...

A few of these types of stories coming out this year. Hope they can clear the rot from our police forces.

I think after couzins they don't just call them 'rapey' and hope they don't go out and commit murder. Its more than one as well always makes it harder to deny, not just a crazy ex or woman scorned.

Its the crazy amount of met officers who have been caught in whats app and chat groups sharing all sorts of inappropriate stuff about raping women and dead bodies.

[Derek Smith]

The function of a criminal court trial is not to prove a person innocent of a charge. Therefore, if a person is found not guilty, that's as far as the decision goes. They are not proven innocent. A court case has nothing to do with innocence. The question it decides on is whether the prosecution has presented sufficient evidence to convince the jury of the defendant's guilt. That the person is presumed innocent in the absence of being found guilty is nothing to do with a court case.