Challenging a 50 r PCN (no right turn)
Challenging a 50 r PCN (no right turn)
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SS427 Camaro

Original Poster:

7,940 posts

193 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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As above, private hire driver turned right into a supermarket car park to pick up a customer. It was dark and they didn’t see a sign stating that @ certain hours of the day, it is forbidden to turn right.
This isn’t an area of the country that the PHD driver knows or has been to before.
The local authority concerned has a camera monitoring this place and must be £ raking it in.
Is there any way of challenging this ?

Edited by SS427 Camaro on Friday 9th December 22:03

davek_964

10,700 posts

198 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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How far do you think the "I'm not familiar with the area and didn't see the road sign" defence should get you? Breaking a couple of speed limits because they were on unfamiliar roads? Driving across a couple of roundabouts because you hadn't been there before and didn't expect them?

I really don't think you have any defence at all.

Yellow Lizud

2,793 posts

187 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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How do you know he was a PH driver? Was there a Piston Heads sticker in the window?

Sebring440

3,087 posts

119 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
As above, a P H Driver turned right into a supermarket car park, to pick up a customer. It was dark, they didn’t see the sign stating that @ certain hours of the day, it is forbidden to turn right.
This isn’t an area of the country that the PHD driver knows or has been to before.
The local authority concerned has a camera monitoring this place and must be £ raking it in.
Is there any way of challenging this ?
Just in case.


Mandat

4,403 posts

261 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
As above, a P H Driver turned right into a supermarket car park, to pick up a customer. It was dark, they didn’t see the sign stating that @ certain hours of the day, it is forbidden to turn right.
This isn’t an area of the country that the PHD driver knows or has been to before.
The local authority concerned has a camera monitoring this place and must be £ raking it in.
Is there any way of challenging this ?
If the signage was ambiguous, poorly located, obstructed, etc. then use that as the basis of an appeal.

If not, and the driver just did not see the signage, then there's less chance of a successful appeal.











littleredrooster

6,146 posts

219 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
As above, a P H Driver turned right...

...This isn’t an area of the country that the PHD driver knows or has been to before.
I know it's possibly not relevant, but what is a P H Driver and/or a PHD driver?

carl_w

10,438 posts

281 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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littleredrooster said:
I know it's possibly not relevant, but what is a P H Driver and/or a PHD driver?
The latter gets to call themselves Dr Driver.

Back to OP, I think you may be banged to rights here unless you want to go down the route of proving the signs aren't adequate. Unlike dealing with a private parking company who will likely back down, you would have to be conversant with the relevant parts of the law on signage and prove that the signs weren't adequate. Not impossible, but it will require a lot of swotting up and time which may be better off spent earning the money to pay the fine.

Bainbridge

214 posts

60 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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Private Hire?

SS427 Camaro

Original Poster:

7,940 posts

193 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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Mandat said:
If the signage was ambiguous, poorly located, obstructed, etc. then use that as the basis of an appeal.

If not, and the driver just did not see the signage, then there's less chance of a successful appeal.

Yes, the sign is poorly located.










babelfish

1,000 posts

230 months

Saturday 10th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
Mandat said:
If the signage was ambiguous, poorly located, obstructed, etc. then use that as the basis of an appeal.

If not, and the driver just did not see the signage, then there's less chance of a successful appeal.
Yes, the sign is poorly located.
Take photos and appeal then. Or take photos and post here (or google maps) and see what people say












BertBert

20,902 posts

234 months

Saturday 10th December 2022
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carl_w said:
The latter gets to call themselves Dr Driver.

Back to OP, I think you may be bang to rights here unless you want to go down the route of proving the signs aren't adequate. Unlike dealing with a private parking company who will likely back down, you would have to be conversant with the relevant parts of the law on signage and prove that the signs weren't adequate. Not impossible, but it will require a lot of swotting up and time which may be better off spent earning the money to pay the fine.
The ever helpful Bert!

vonhosen

40,597 posts

240 months

Saturday 10th December 2022
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babelfish said:
SS427 Camaro said:
Mandat said:
If the signage was ambiguous, poorly located, obstructed, etc. then use that as the basis of an appeal.

If not, and the driver just did not see the signage, then there's less chance of a successful appeal.
Yes, the sign is poorly located.
Take photos and appeal then. Or take photos and post here (or google maps) and see what people say
This, give us a google maps link to see how poorly located it is.












Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

46 months

Saturday 10th December 2022
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littleredrooster said:
SS427 Camaro said:
As above, a P H Driver turned right...

...This isn’t an area of the country that the PHD driver knows or has been to before.
I know it's possibly not relevant, but what is a P H Driver and/or a PHD driver?
Private hire is a taxi..

Rushjob

2,275 posts

281 months

Saturday 10th December 2022
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Draxindustries1 said:
Private hire is a taxi..
It isn't. A taxi is a hackney carriage, a private hime vehicle is a private hire vehicle.

Missy Charm

1,346 posts

51 months

Saturday 10th December 2022
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littleredrooster said:
I know it's possibly not relevant, but what is a P H Driver and/or a PHD driver?
The latter is the sort you want as they won't let you down.

anonymous-user

77 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Missy Charm said:
The latter is the sort you want as they won't let you down.
Have a smile

Electro1980

8,922 posts

162 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Rushjob said:
Draxindustries1 said:
Private hire is a taxi..
It isn't. A taxi is a hackney carriage, a private hime vehicle is a private hire vehicle.
Username checks out.

Rushjob

2,275 posts

281 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Electro1980 said:
Rushjob said:
Draxindustries1 said:
Private hire is a taxi..
It isn't. A taxi is a hackney carriage, a private hime vehicle is a private hire vehicle.
Username checks out.
Guilty as charged m'lud biglaughjudgebiglaugh