Driver jailed for 8 years after causing fatal 128mph crash
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"On Friday, Yates, of no fixed abode but from North Wales, appeared at Chester Crown Court where he was sentenced to 11 years in prison - reduced to eight years and three months for an early guilty plea -"
"Even after he was located, he denied any involvement in the collision, and throughout questioning he declined to answer any questions and refused to provide samples of breath or blood. His parting comments to investigators was that he puts all of his trust in those investigating the collision."
Those 2 comments do not make sense to me - where's the 'early' guilty plea? You should only get leniency if you plead guilty from the off, not just before the court date - because you know you've been caught bang to rights and you want a lesser sentence!
"Even after he was located, he denied any involvement in the collision, and throughout questioning he declined to answer any questions and refused to provide samples of breath or blood. His parting comments to investigators was that he puts all of his trust in those investigating the collision."
Those 2 comments do not make sense to me - where's the 'early' guilty plea? You should only get leniency if you plead guilty from the off, not just before the court date - because you know you've been caught bang to rights and you want a lesser sentence!
Roy the Boy said:
"On Friday, Yates, of no fixed abode but from North Wales, appeared at Chester Crown Court where he was sentenced to 11 years in prison - reduced to eight years and three months for an early guilty plea -"
"Even after he was located, he denied any involvement in the collision, and throughout questioning he declined to answer any questions and refused to provide samples of breath or blood. His parting comments to investigators was that he puts all of his trust in those investigating the collision."
Those 2 comments do not make sense to me - where's the 'early' guilty plea? You should only get leniency if you plead guilty from the off, not just before the court date - because you know you've been caught bang to rights and you want a lesser sentence!
I imagine the guilty plea was at the first opportunity before the court, as opposed to changing his plea after the evidence came in. "Even after he was located, he denied any involvement in the collision, and throughout questioning he declined to answer any questions and refused to provide samples of breath or blood. His parting comments to investigators was that he puts all of his trust in those investigating the collision."
Those 2 comments do not make sense to me - where's the 'early' guilty plea? You should only get leniency if you plead guilty from the off, not just before the court date - because you know you've been caught bang to rights and you want a lesser sentence!
I remember this one of our drivers witnessed it. If I remember rightly he said he was in his truck slowing in lane 1 with trucks ahead in lane 1/2 all slowing for the lane closure.
This sirocco came screaming down the slip road from Lymm services junction and tried to cut between the trucks from slip road to lane 3/4 but was met with another wall of cars all slowing and ploughed into the poor chap.
Cars and parts flung all over the carriageway and, unfortunately as it seems to be to common, the sirocco driver just jumped out and did a runner seemingly uninjured. Motorway as shut for about 11 hours if I remember right.
This sirocco came screaming down the slip road from Lymm services junction and tried to cut between the trucks from slip road to lane 3/4 but was met with another wall of cars all slowing and ploughed into the poor chap.
Cars and parts flung all over the carriageway and, unfortunately as it seems to be to common, the sirocco driver just jumped out and did a runner seemingly uninjured. Motorway as shut for about 11 hours if I remember right.
Glenn63 said:
....the sirocco driver just jumped out and did a runner seemingly uninjured.
Pretty incredible, although seeing cars like 107's (that the deceased was driving) on the motorway always makes me shudder - saw a Saxo on the M40 that had been rear-ended and it was basically just folded in half.Sheepshanks said:
... seeing cars like 107's (that the deceased was driving) on the motorway always makes me shudder - saw a Saxo on the M40 that had been rear-ended and it was basically just folded in half.
Agree, but for instance the Smart car actually does really well as crash worthiness I believe, certainly frontal impact, and the 107 was realesed 18years ago now. I can't imagine many cars being in a good shape after receiving a Shirocco to the rear at 128mph let alone a 20yo one. I drive an equally old e46, might be more solid that a 107, but there isn't much that would make that amount of force ok. Countdown said:
dhutch said:
Bummer. Feel for families loss and the mother and child.
It's a life sentence for them. Every birthday, every Xmas, every family event will bring back the memories....whereas he'll be out in 4 years.Solocle said:
"The fast lane" 
Has it ever been referred to as the "overtaking" lane?Many times I've overtaken a line of slow traffic and I'm going to speed limit of 70, only for someone to ride right up my ass the entire way and when I pull in, they zoom past you going to 90-100mph.
I recently had some older fellow in a Range Rover undertake me when I was passing a line of 3 trucks, I was doing about 75 and he overtook me with easy, must have been going at least 90mph when he changed lanes. Absolute bonkers.
dhutch said:
Agree, but for instance the Smart car actually does really well as crash worthiness I believe, certainly frontal impact,
I saw one on a TV car programme - maybe 5th Gear? - where they crashed it into a concrete block and it stood up really well, even the door the opened OK ish. Then the expert they had said the decelleration would have been so rapid in such a short space that the driver would certainly have died.
Sheepshanks said:
dhutch said:
Agree, but for instance the Smart car actually does really well as crash worthiness I believe, certainly frontal impact,
I saw one on a TV car programme - maybe 5th Gear? - where they crashed it into a concrete block and it stood up really well, even the door the opened OK ish. Then the expert they had said the decelleration would have been so rapid in such a short space that the driver would certainly have died.
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