Whats the latest with towing trailers these days?
Whats the latest with towing trailers these days?
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bearman68

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4,916 posts

155 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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My fitter has a license issued in 2017. Doesn't include B&E sections, and therefore he cannot tow a trailer (as I understand it)

Does he have to go to trailer school for this, or has it been the law been changed again, and if he has a replacement license, will he have entitlement reinstated?

Talk about sowing the seeds of confusion.

blank

3,711 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Everyone was automatically given B+E entitlement at the end of 2019.

Therefore he has the licence to drive a vehicle up to 3.5t GVW towing a trailer up to 3.5t GVW (within the towing limits of the vehicle obviously).

If he orders a new photocard it will show B+E.

Bear in mind if this is for business then there may be a requirement to record drivers hours or even use a tacho.

bearman68

Original Poster:

4,916 posts

155 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Thanks, very informative.

babelfish

996 posts

230 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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blank said:
Everyone was automatically given B+E entitlement at the end of 2019.

Therefore he has the licence to drive a vehicle up to 3.5t GVW towing a trailer up to 3.5t GVW (within the towing limits of the vehicle obviously).

If he orders a new photocard it will show B+E.

Bear in mind if this is for business then there may be a requirement to record drivers hours or even use a tacho.
If he goes to https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence he should be able to check without sending off for a new license.

blank

3,711 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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babelfish said:
blank said:
Everyone was automatically given B+E entitlement at the end of 2019.

Therefore he has the licence to drive a vehicle up to 3.5t GVW towing a trailer up to 3.5t GVW (within the towing limits of the vehicle obviously).

If he orders a new photocard it will show B+E.

Bear in mind if this is for business then there may be a requirement to record drivers hours or even use a tacho.
If he goes to https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence he should be able to check without sending off for a new license.
That doesn't actually show B+E, it has a disclaimer explaining that the online system doesn't show it.

I have B+E on my photocard (as I happened to renew it last year) but the online check doesn't show me as having B+E.

QBee

22,108 posts

167 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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bearman68 said:
My fitter has a license issued in 2017. Doesn't include B&E sections, and therefore he cannot tow a trailer (as I understand it)

Does he have to go to trailer school for this, or has it been the law been changed again, and if he has a replacement license, will he have entitlement reinstated?

Talk about sowing the seeds of confusion.
I would seriously suggest a little training before you send him out on his own with a car on the trailer, and he has to turn round in a narrow cul de sac.....
Swinging wide for corners, allowing for the effects of 2 tonnes behind, and reversing into a turning are the specifics I am thinking of.

R0G

5,032 posts

178 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Everyone with a B licence now has B+E whether the licence shows it or not

Easy rules for B+E towing

Do not exceed
Vehicle GVW
Vehicle GTW
Vehicle max towing limit (usually GTW minus GTW)
Trailer MAM weight

paulrockliffe

16,362 posts

250 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Didn't know that it had changed. I passed in 1999, can I drive a tractor with a full slurry tanker on the back now or not?

LosingGrip

8,636 posts

182 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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paulrockliffe said:
Didn't know that it had changed. I passed in 1999, can I drive a tractor with a full slurry tanker on the back now or not?
A quick Google suggests that with your cat F licence you can drive/tow a max of 31T (including the tractor and trailer).

TheLurker

1,541 posts

219 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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LosingGrip said:
paulrockliffe said:
Didn't know that it had changed. I passed in 1999, can I drive a tractor with a full slurry tanker on the back now or not?
A quick Google suggests that with your cat F licence you can drive/tow a max of 31T (including the tractor and trailer).
Yep, I was driving 30T on the road at 17 in a tractor and trailer, but still had to go and take the B+E test so I could tow the track car.

Having watched some of the reversing attempts on a campsite once from those with grandfather rights, I'm not so convinced removing the trailer test was such a good idea... Fantastic entertainment though.

QBee

22,108 posts

167 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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After 15 years of towing a horse trailer and several years towing my track car, I bought a caravan.
I am one of the few it would seem who can just reverse his 7 metre caravan onto its pitch, much to many caravan club members amazement.

Many have the cheat device fitted - a motormover, which is an electric motor that runs off the leisure battery and drives the wheels at about 3 mph. This allows the caravan owner to drive the unhitched caravan by remote control while watching all 4 corners. Given the standard of reversing on caravan sites, and the tendency of sites to be somewhat narrow, this gadget is probably not a bad idea.

AlwynMike

557 posts

110 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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I'm one with now defunct Grandfather rights.
I've been towing for decades. I wouldn't class myself as anywhere near a super reverser, although I can get the 24ft caravan on to my awkward drive
But on site I still use the mover on the caravan once I get it close to where I want it. And when you're on your own, it's a a lot easier than getting in and out of the car to make sure it's perfectly placed and perfectly level. OCD, I know.

paintman

7,848 posts

213 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Nothing wrong with motor movers - unless you're a Luddite of course! smile

QBee

22,108 posts

167 months

Saturday 11th February 2023
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I agree, it’s a very useful gadget. It just surprised my how many long term caravan owners couldn’t reverse accurately. It’s almost a spectator sport….

paulrockliffe

16,362 posts

250 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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TheLurker said:
LosingGrip said:
paulrockliffe said:
Didn't know that it had changed. I passed in 1999, can I drive a tractor with a full slurry tanker on the back now or not?
A quick Google suggests that with your cat F licence you can drive/tow a max of 31T (including the tractor and trailer).
Yep, I was driving 30T on the road at 17 in a tractor and trailer, but still had to go and take the B+E test so I could tow the track car.

Having watched some of the reversing attempts on a campsite once from those with grandfather rights, I'm not so convinced removing the trailer test was such a good idea... Fantastic entertainment though.
Ace. I accidentally did that and then about a week later realised I'd broken the law. Great to know I didn't.