Single Justice Procedure Notice
Single Justice Procedure Notice
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GSing

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2 posts

36 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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Morning all. I was caught speeding by the police car doing 45/46 in a 30-mile zone. I have been a very careful driver from the past 20 plus year and always followed the rules. I think this time it was fault and I got caught. The police officer didn't give me any ticket on the spot or any reference number. He only took my details, and it has been over a month now and I still haven't received any fine. I spoke to met police yesterday and been told since my speed was overly high, I don't fall in the category of fixed penalty notice fine and points or a speed awareness course, hence they have decided to issue me with a SJPN which can take 6 months from the date of alleged offence.
I have full UK driving licence without any points.
I would like to ask members to please share any information that once I receive the SJPN what the likely outcome can be?
Will I be given 4 to 6 points and a heavy fine or magistrate can decide to give me 3 penalty points and minimal fine or he can offer me a speed awareness course too based on my previous driving history because my licence has always been clean. ( Or I can request the magistrate to offer me the speed awareness course).
On the other hand, the magistrate can impose strict penalty on my licence too??
Any information will be much appreciated.
Many thanks' members.

Unreal

8,940 posts

48 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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GSing said:
Morning all. I was caught speeding by the police car doing 45/46 in a 30-mile zone. I have been a very careful driver from the past 20 plus year and always followed the rules. I think this time it was fault and I got caught. The police officer didn't give me any ticket on the spot or any reference number. He only took my details, and it has been over a month now and I still haven't received any fine. I spoke to met police yesterday and been told since my speed was overly high, I don't fall in the category of fixed penalty notice fine and points or a speed awareness course, hence they have decided to issue me with a SJPN which can take 6 months from the date of alleged offence.
I have full UK driving licence without any points.
I would like to ask members to please share any information that once I receive the SJPN what the likely outcome can be?
Will I be given 4 to 6 points and a heavy fine or magistrate can decide to give me 3 penalty points and minimal fine or he can offer me a speed awareness course too based on my previous driving history because my licence has always been clean. ( Or I can request the magistrate to offer me the speed awareness course).
On the other hand, the magistrate can impose strict penalty on my licence too??
Any information will be much appreciated.
Many thanks' members.
Might be better in speed, plod and the law.

BertBert

20,882 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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On the face of it, that speed is not overly high for a 3pt fpn. So there must be more to it.

Did the person you spoke to give any more info about why?

Definitely a 30 zone?

martinbiz

3,639 posts

168 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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Should be a FP for 46, I would speak to them again

GreatGranny

9,519 posts

249 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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Band B

"Band B - you will be put in this band if you were between 11 and 20mph over the legal limit. You may need to appear in court where you would be fined between 75% and 125% of your weekly income. Between four and six penalty points will be added to your licence or you would be banned from driving for between seven and 28 days."

QuattroDave

1,763 posts

151 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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It's not on one of those London 30mph roads being reduced to 20mph is it?

agtlaw

7,281 posts

229 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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GreatGranny said:
Band B."
Copied from the Which Magazine website and would only apply if court proceedings are commenced.

46/30 mph is usually a £100 fixed penalty with 3 points. Nothing to do with ‘Band B.’


martinbiz

3,639 posts

168 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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GreatGranny said:
Band B

"Band B - you will be put in this band if you were between 11 and 20mph over the legal limit. You may need to appear in court where you would be fined between 75% and 125% of your weekly income. Between four and six penalty points will be added to your licence or you would be banned from driving for between seven and 28 days."
No it’s not, it’s a fixed penalty unless you choose court which is what you have looked at, google is not always your friend

PorkInsider

6,352 posts

164 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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GreatGranny said:
Band B

"Band B - you will be put in this band if you were between 11 and 20mph over the legal limit. You may need to appear in court where you would be fined between 75% and 125% of your weekly income. Between four and six penalty points will be added to your licence or you would be banned from driving for between seven and 28 days."
Very unhelpful posting misleading stuff like this.

agtlaw

7,281 posts

229 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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PorkInsider said:
Very unhelpful posting misleading stuff like this.
Agreed.

BertBert

20,882 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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agtlaw said:
GreatGranny said:
Band B."
Copied from the Which Magazine website and would only apply if court proceedings are commenced.

46/30 mph is usually a £100 fixed penalty with 3 points. Nothing to do with ‘Band B.’
But isn't that exactly what the OP said? He's getting a SJPN.

martinbiz

3,639 posts

168 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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BertBert said:
But isn't that exactly what the OP said? He's getting a SJPN.
Yes but it appears they have messed up by saying that, or the op has messed up and it was a 20 limit

Silverage

2,344 posts

153 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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I had exactly this a year or so ago. Pulled over by the police at 46 or 47, I forget which, in a 30. I did get some paperwork from the copper and he made a point of saying that just 1 mph more and I would have been up the steps.

The brown envelope from the police asking me for £100 (too fast for a course offer) arrived a week or so later. Lincolnshire police.

Yertis

19,526 posts

289 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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What’s ‘B and B’?

MustangGT

13,669 posts

303 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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Yertis said:
What’s ‘B and B’?
Band B, rather than Band A

Terminator X

19,493 posts

227 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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You will receive the paperwork one day before the 6 month deadline.

TX.

agtlaw

7,281 posts

229 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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BertBert said:
But isn't that exactly what the OP said? He's getting a SJPN.
Speculation. Let's wait and see.

BertBert

20,882 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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agtlaw said:
BertBert said:
But isn't that exactly what the OP said? He's getting a SJPN.
Speculation. Let's wait and see.
I don't think so. Specukating is basically guessing. Reporting what's been told by the relevant authority doesn't count as speculating to me.

ETA the Internet says "the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence'

agtlaw

7,281 posts

229 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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martinbiz said:
Should be a FP for 46, I would speak to them again
Agreed if 46/30. Email CTO to confirm.

If 46/20 then anticipate court proceedings - and expect a Band C Fine - usually 100% of relevant weekly income after an early guilty plea. (£1k max.)

agtlaw

7,281 posts

229 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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BertBert said:
I don't think so. Speculating is basically guessing. Reporting what's been told by the relevant authority doesn't count as speculating to me.

ETA the Internet says "the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence'
I deal with prosecuting authorities on a daily basis. I’m often told X will happen and, in due course, Y happens. A phone call to an admin person should be taken as an indication only.